23-07-2004 06:20									#1
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I did a search on this subject before posting, but I didn't see any information regarding "air drop failed".

My situation is that I built a small army of Modern Paratroopers -- for fun, I know the cost vs benefit of this unit is questionable. I decided to deploy my paratrooper army against an enemy city against an island city after I had destroyed the two defending MI units.

Well, all four units dropped on the city were lost with the "air drop failed" message. What is the probability of losing a unit during an airdrop? I did a search on the civilopedia (what a waste of time) and the serach on Poly (much more useful regarding strategy, etc).

Solomonwi, Catt and others have posted interesting strategies about this unit which I really enjoyed reading.

Any thoughts about probabilities of "air drop failed"?

	23-07-2004 09:02									#2
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anytime you drop on an occupied square, or city (empty or full), you get an airdrop failed messege.

	23-07-2004 09:15									#3
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MattPilot nailed it. You've got to drop on an unoccupied square, and cities count as occupation. I've lost several paratroopers that way (mainly due to not remembering how it worked from game to game). That's also the reason you need a stealth fighter, jet fighter or helicopter for recon before you drop.

	23-07-2004 09:42									#4
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Okay...is it just me, or the supplied information very thin. I didn't realize that an unoccupied enemy city would kill my precious paratroopers

I had obliterated the enemy units with air units prior to the drops.

Well, the Marines mopped up the next turn anyway! Thanks for the responses.

	23-07-2004 21:46									#5
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I've found out (the hard way ) that paradropping onto radar towers causes your paradrop to fail. I would assume that attempting to paradrop onto other improvements, such as airfields, outposts, and colonies, would also fail, though I haven't tested it out.

	26-07-2004 08:21									#6
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Shouldn't they let paratroopers move right after they have made an air drop?

On civ2, you could move your paratrooper right after he landed, thus allowing you to use it much much more affectively.

-Ron

	28-07-2004 19:56									#7
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quote: Originally posted by barbeerhj Shouldn't they let paratroopers move right after they have made an air drop? On civ2, you could move your paratrooper right after he landed, thus allowing you to use it much much more affectively. -Ron

I believe it SHOULD be this way but probably not..

Maybe this could be changed??

Peace

Gramps

	28-07-2004 22:14									#8
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Yea

Adding that would make the paratrooper a decent blitz or pillaging unit.

Since he could now move, he could capture a city you were just barely unable to get from normal attacks.

And, since he could still have a move left, you could land on a strategic resource and pillage it in the same turn, thus making it harder for them to reinforce unless they can remake the rr and road.

-Ron

	29-07-2004 01:05									#9
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quote: Originally posted by barbeerhj Yea Adding that would make the paratrooper a decent blitz or pillaging unit. Since he could now move, he could capture a city you were just barely unable to get from normal attacks. And, since he could still have a move left, you could land on a strategic resource and pillage it in the same turn, thus making it harder for them to reinforce unless they can remake the rr and road. -Ron

Which is the whole reason behind Paratroopers versus normal ground pounding infantry..Surprise element

Ok..maybe we could get this into CIV IV?

	29-07-2004 04:35									#10
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I agree. paratroopers suck as is.

What good are they? I never build them. If they can't pillage, and they can't attack, the only possible use would be to direct enemy attention away from some other place or unit.

	29-07-2004 05:44									#11
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quote: Originally posted by Dissident I agree. paratroopers suck as is. What good are they? I never build them. If they can't pillage, and they can't attack, the only possible use would be to direct enemy attention away from some other place or unit.

agreed..me I would rather use this:

Ya see everyone thinks kids are so cute no one would suspect them of this heinous attack..P!$$ can really burn in the eye sockets..

	29-07-2004 10:03									#12
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GT, where do you come from? What special pic-searching algorithm do you live by? Are you actually a twisted AI?

Do you consider the child's action to be a or d, and what point value do you assign it?

	29-07-2004 16:57									#13
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quote: Originally posted by Theseus GT, where do you come from? What special pic-searching algorithm do you live by? Are you actually a twisted AI? Do you consider the child's action to be a or d, and what point value do you assign it?

Come from. perhaps the question is where am I headed?

Special -Pic algorithm live by?

Nah I live by the tree of Life and Knowledge..just sharing the fruit of the vine



Twisted Ai? (Itell ya hes on to us!!) (maybe we should, ya know.....)

The childs action are appropriate as a Z.O.C. is 5 metres..and will not ifre upon unitl provoked, in this case the soldier telling his mates that he was gonna go have a cup 'O Tea..and the boy thought he said Cup 'O Pee..and will defense alarms went off and well Thats the way it is..

I give, points wise, 55, 54, 58 ,55 & 57

	29-07-2004 18:45									#14
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no human could find all those pictures in a reasonable amount of time.

	29-07-2004 19:23									#15
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Modern Paratroopers = piss


about right.

	30-07-2004 00:49									#16
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quote: Originally posted by Dissident no human could find all those pictures in a reasonable amount of time.

~mumbling ever so quietly~

"gotaa..mm..get close ta dah grund ta c 'em"

"like snipe hunten kinda gotta have a nose fer dese thangs"

	30-07-2004 01:37									#17
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Here's a suggestion:

Edit your paratroopers to 0 attack, 0 defence, transport only foot units, transport capacity 1, hidden nationality, unload, paradrop. And dirt cheap, no maintenance. Then use these to transport regular infantry to combat by loading inf to the para, then airdropping the unit to enemy territory, then activating the unit inside to perform the attack/pillaging/whatever. Works like that on testing, however, I'm not sure if war wearines is affected by the subsecuent, almost certain destruction/capture of the unit, if left unguarded. Or if ww can be switched of on certain units. I doubt "hidden nationality" helps, either. So don't leave it unguarded. You don't leave any 0 defence units unquarded, now do you? Think of it, as some will always hurt themselves in the jump, as guarding those poor sobs.

Think of it as giving parachutes to your regular infantries...

AI most likely don't know how to use these...

	30-07-2004 01:46									#18
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sounds like a possibility?

It worked for these guys

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