23-07-2004 09:23									#1
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Orders from the Ministers:

ALL MINISTERS, please feel free to edit this post to enter in your orders.

Save is here. ~Oct X

Pre-Turn Actions


Military Orders
(warriors)
Roadkill: Remain fortified as sentry
Anthea: 8
Grog: 8
Ares: Remain fortified as sentry
Con: MP in NA
Diomedes: MP in PH
Jason: MP in poly
Odysseus: MP in Hypnos
new warrior: GOTO mountain 7777 of Hypnos.

(hoplite)
Bellerophan: 4
Theseus: MP in Olympus

(archer)
Phobos II: 6


Worker Orders

#1 Roads-R-Us - Continue roading
#2 Fred & Barny - continue mining
#3 Oppressed Laborers - continue roading
new worker:


City Orders

#1 Apolyton - wf - Settler (horse), Barracks
#2 Hypnos - wf -
#3 Poseidon's Harbor - wf - archer
#4 Naked Aphrodite - wf - Barracks (under way), hoplite
#5 Olympus - wf - cat?

Diplomacy To Be Completed


Any Other Things To Be Done
Purchase a barbarian slave worker from PAL as soon as possible. Gold does not need to be exchanged for it to abide by the UN rules.

Last edited by Inverse Icarus on 24-07-2004 at 11:54

	24-07-2004 08:12									#2
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Message from PAL that came with 1450 save:

quote: Brothers of Apolyton: Please be advised we have completed Mapmaking and expect to complete Mysticism in 4 turns. Please be further advised that we are now surging towards the eastern coastal ivory, and are concerned about the destination of a settler we believe was recently built in CDG's capital - if you sight this unit, we would appreciate any/all information about it. Our preparations continue impressively, and we hope the same can be said for you.

	24-07-2004 11:07									#3
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Damn your black heart, Octy!

* MrWhereItsAt shakes fist

Looking at the save now...

Last edited by MrWhereItsAt on 24-07-2004 at 11:21

	24-07-2004 11:21									#4
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The first thing I notice is that CDG sent us CoL....UNACCEPTED! Someone tell them how it is important we get CoL BEFORE we get Philosophy so we can both (all ) benefit from this deal....

My thoughts...

Phobos II should go NE next to the Barb camp (which has a Horse and 2 Warriors in it) to take them on. He may become an Elite (vet ATM), and that means an extra 25g too. The Barbs only attack units to their NW or SE (7 or 3 on the keypad), so he will be safe to attack or rest whenever he wants.

The new worker: we are working an unimproved grass along the river at Poly. Thus I think we should road it, or irrigate one of the plains along the river. This will not take as long as a grass mine, and will give us either more trade from the same tile, or an extra shield to play with for the same food.

New Warrior in Hypnos.... possibly move to the next city site, making it safe for the settler to come in two more turns. Else NW to take the place of Bellerophon, who can go on to challenge those barbs in our NW. Being a Hoplite he should be able to handle an attack easily until he reaches and destroys the camp.

Grog 8 (exploring near PAL's borders) or 3 (unknown mountainlands). Anthea 8 (more unexplored land N of PAL). As for the build in Hypnos, we should think about a worker, as we only have three of them. We definitely need SOMEwhere to build one soon.

WF and all else looks fine.

	24-07-2004 11:52									#5
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quote: Originally posted by MrWhereItsAt The first thing I notice is that CDG sent us CoL....UNACCEPTED! Someone tell them how it is important we get CoL BEFORE we get Philosophy so we can both (all ) benefit from this deal....

Gah.

quote: Phobos II should go NE next to the Barb camp (which has a Horse and 2 Warriors in it) to take them on. He may become an Elite (vet ATM), and that means an extra 25g too. The Barbs only attack units to their NW or SE (7 or 3 on the keypad), so he will be safe to attack or rest whenever he wants.

Has this ever been proven? I'm honestly not sure about that. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and order it.

quote: New Warrior in Hypnos.... possibly move to the next city site, making it safe for the settler to come in two more turns. Else NW to take the place of Bellerophon, who can go on to challenge those barbs in our NW. Being a Hoplite he should be able to handle an attack easily until he reaches and destroys the camp.

I like the idea of setting him up as sentry, and sending Bellerophon deeper in. We will have one turn where our sight is limited, but I think it'll work out, especially if we get a veteran Bellerophon out of it.

quote: Grog 8 (exploring near PAL's borders) or 3 (unknown mountainlands). Anthea 8 (more unexplored land N of PAL). As for the build in Hypnos, we should think about a worker, as we only have three of them. We definitely need SOMEwhere to build one soon.

Agreed.

	25-07-2004 01:36									#6
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The Barbs in C3C v1.22 only attacking NW or SE has been documented by others. Proven? I don't think you could prove something like that wihtout detailed knowledge of the code governing AI behaviour (and stuff that Firaxis/Breakaway overlooked too ), but I have not seen it compromised yet. I have tested it in many real games of mine - both MP and SP. If you are in one of those two directions you WILL be attacked, no matter what the odds, whereas otherwise they stay fortified. This is most obvious when you pop a hut of barbs. The ones to your SE/NW will attack, the others will move towards anything distant they see in that direction, or will otherwise fortify right there.

The vet Bellerophon idea sounds great. Bel WILL be open to attacks as he moves NW towards the camp though.

	25-07-2004 05:24									#7
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Played in chat at midnight GMT using posted orders with Kloreep, WIA, and a bunch of other people idle.

CDG offers us Code of Laws UNACCEPTED. We accept.

Hypnos builds warrior. Name him Achilles
Poseidon's Harbor builds worker. Name him Unnamed Worker

Phobos II moves 9

Unnamed Workers move 8 9 8

Achilles moves 7 7 7

Grog moves 8. Discovers a new PAL city.

Anthea moves 8. More PAL high-quality unsettled land.

workers

Roads R Us finished Road, but is frozen.

Oppressed Laborers will finish Ivory next turn and then be frozen.

Cities
HYPNOS set to build archer in 5 turns.
POSEIDON'S HARBOR set to build archer in 5 turns.

Workforce
Traded tiles between APOLYTON and POSEIDON'S HARBOR. Poly gets cows. PH gets bonus grassland.

ISSUES OF NOTE
We did not move Bellerophan from his mountain perch yet. We have a barbarian horseman on our border and we need to keep him off the mountain and see which way he goes. We'll move Bell next turn, most likely to protect the worker pair, and move Achilles onto the mountain perch.

Still no new CDG cities.

CDG is missing the same techs.

No one is building wonders.

We are rank 4 in Land Area, but remain rank 3 in all other major areas.

City Sizes:
PAL 5
CDG 2
BAT 7
GWT 2

--Togas

	26-07-2004 01:00									#10
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Why didn't Bellerophan move as ordered?

	26-07-2004 03:09									#11
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Did we answer the mail to FP? Did we see a settler or any CDG movement towards the north of there core headed towads that Ivory up there????????

	26-07-2004 10:56									#12
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quote: Originally posted by Uber KruX Why didn't Bellerophan move as ordered?

	26-07-2004 17:30									#13
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Let me turn that question around, Uber. Why did you want to move Bel off the Mtn when it would have meant the Barb Horse that just appeared would be able to either attack Bel without the great defense bonus it currently gets or could have moved to the Mtn vacated by Bel, making it difficult to kill next turn, and making it a danger to our improvements around Apolyton?

I think it was the best move to leave Bel there this turn. The barb horse will likely attack Bel and die now, meaning we can move Bel off next turn, or it will have to be somewhere that Bel can get at it without the defensive bonus from the Mtn.

Good move, Togas +Oct (+ missing Don ). I think I unidled long enough to agree with it, too.

	26-07-2004 22:50									#14
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Yes, we were worried about the horse taking the mountain. It would be able to endanger the worker from there, and we don't have an Archer in the area to confront a 2-defense horse.

	27-07-2004 01:07									#15
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Quoting myself from the turn report above:

quote: We did not move Bellerophan from his mountain perch yet. We have a barbarian horseman on our border and we need to keep him off the mountain and see which way he goes. We'll move Bell next turn, most likely to protect the worker pair, and move Achilles onto the mountain perch.

--Togas