24-07-2004 08:40									#1
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GWT has a few options as far as attempting to defend against our invasion...

A couple of things will be assumed for the sake of argument for this poll:

A. GWT does not have a significant stack of Ansars (5 or more) within range to attack our landing party on the turn it lands. But, they will be able to do so by the next turn (with maybe 25 or so); which is the turn after we sack Ruhrpott

B. GWT does not or will not have a significant (5 or more) Muskets in Ruhrpott by the time we attack it.

So, what will they do? Here's some choices they may have:

1. Bring their stack of available Ansar and anyother units in the area to defend Ruhrpott. They will use terrain bonus (15%), fortification bonus(50%), and a walled city bonus(50%) to increase their Ansars defense strength from 2 to 4.3 and hope to hold us off and thus save their FP since they do not yet see the full attacking force we have just off shore; They may see the ships, but may also assume that we used some sort of ship chaining to get the units there...

They do this while bring up another Ansar stack that was further away from the FP to help counter attack on the following turn.

Basically, they don't attack us on our landing. So, when we attack them it gives us War Weariness and War Happiness happens for them.

They may even disband the two cites to the North and South of our landing party in order to prevent us from using their roads against them further down the line and/or to prevent us from stealing their population, in the form of workers, to be brought back as slaves for APO.


2. GWT may, using a possible Palace prebuild it has for a wonder, build another FP near the current one. It would mean that GWT would abandon Ruhrpott and switch over to a FP build in the other city. It would assume that GWT would only do this if that other city were further away from our attacking forces and within range of them sending support to that city to be able to stop us before we were able to deduce where they have now re-built the FP.

Basically, they ignore our landing party, for one turn, build the FP in another location and wait for more troops to arrive to deal with our landing party. They may even disband the two cities to the North and South of our landing party in order to prevent us from using their roads against them further down the line and/or to prevent us from stealing their population, in the form of workers, to be brought back as slaves for APO.


3. They realize that they cannot stop the destruction of their FP and they do not have enough shields built up in any possible prebuilds to build another FP anywhere near the second core. So, they decide to "fold up camp."

They would disband any cities that APO could possibly attack and capture while bringing in forces to counter attack when they had sufficient numbers to do so. They wait till they have cleared the area of our invasion and go about rebuilding the cities and the FP that was detroyed. Hoping all the while that they have an opportunity to produce another GL and that all of their second core is not missing since the FP would have little effect on a missing 2nd core.

4. Your own scenario. Please specify.

	24-07-2004 09:50									#2
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I torn between 1 and 2.

Keep in mind that any GWT units that are around Flammburg now (to deal with a threat on any side of the landmass) could reach Ruhrpott in only 2 turns. That means we basically have 2 turns to trash everything we want before the Cavalry (so to speak) come a'knockin. That will probably be very important in GWT's thinking. Obviously, with so few forces in the area (assumed for this scenario), they could not hold Ruhrpott, but they COULD make things difficult... Ansar, Horsemen and attackers attack us from Ruhrpott 4 - this gives them a shot at killing our units, and then in order to get to Ruhrpott we have to battle those same units again, thus reducing the number we have available to do other things while their main army heads from the east.

Because of that, I lean towards 1 now. They won't be able to stop us right away, but they CAN hurt us enough to give them an advantage when the rest of their army arrives.

	24-07-2004 10:34									#3
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We have little to gain from taking Ruhr and surrounding cities, only from their destruction. So I don't think GWT would cripple themselves by disbanding, and at the same time throwing away the defensive bonuses they get from being in cities. Two would be only if they had the prebuild somewhere distant enough from their Palace as to provide a second core.

One sounds most likely to me.

	24-07-2004 12:22									#4
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I have just had a rather horrible thought... have we ever checked Ruhrpott was the FP city of GWT? I mean, everything suggests it is, ofc ourse... but did we make sure?

If we did, just ignore me...

	24-07-2004 12:50									#5
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quote: Originally posted by vondrack I have just had a rather horrible thought... have we ever checked Ruhrpott was the FP city of GWT? I mean, everything suggests it is, ofc ourse... but did we make sure? If we did, just ignore me...

1. I think we spyed a city closer to their West coast and we found it to have very low corruption indicating that the FP was close.
2. Ruhrpott is the ideal spot for a FP.
3. And also I thought we figured they did it with a GL which allows them to build it in an ideal spot.

* BigFree thinks that that sounded just like a game of Clue where someone is explaining the who's, what's, why's and how's of how someone got killed.

	24-07-2004 16:50									#6
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The question is, do they know we know Ruhr is their FP? If they just think we're invading their western lands to generally hurt them, they have little reason to abandon Ruhr, especially if they have a wonder prebuild to switch to if it is attacked, and may worry about defending other cities.

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	24-07-2004 18:43									#7
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I think the LZ will be covered.

	24-07-2004 21:38									#8
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Rhur was also over size 7 a long time ago, indicating an aqueduct, during their initial build-up of the west. It was clearly an important city to them despite it being so far from the palace.

	24-07-2004 21:42									#9
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GWT finally sent the save on, saying they had something to "sort out." I hope it has nothing to do with us.

No for GCA, then CGN, then us.

	24-07-2004 22:42									#10
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So, that's about six months from now.

	24-07-2004 23:15									#11
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CGN now has the save. Miccofl reports that their ship over there on the coast was apparently sunk by GWT. I guess that is what the hold up was. Anyways, we should have the turn very soon; a matter of minutes!

	25-07-2004 01:28									#12
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IMO, #1 is the most likely.

They may not cover the LZ (may not have the numbers needed) but they will put scouts and sentries all over the western coast to try to spot us before we land.

--Togas

	25-07-2004 19:28									#13
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quote: Originally posted by Hot_Enamel I think the LZ will be covered.

I win

	26-07-2004 16:41									#14
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quote: Originally posted by Hot_Enamel I win

Congratulations! You get to be the first off the boats! Your prize is that and the pick of the bounty we will surely obtain from Ruhr's sacking!

I hope your prize is worth it.

	26-07-2004 17:36									#15
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Actually, the answer to the poll is probably: "Laugh"