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Proserpine
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London, UK
May 2002
time: 05:36
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This is roughly how the early phases go for the Anglo-Saxons:
Turn 2: Research is at 100% (-3G) 6 cities founded, last one (of the original settlers) is founded next turn. The iron 6 tiles NNE of Kiel is secured (Repton). Kiel is building a spear., all others on barracks (Lubeck, Bremen = 5 turhs to go, Hohwacht = 6, Chppenham = 8, Repton = 9, Lindsey = 10) until they can buld workers. All cities optimised for production right now. Contact with Rome established (0 gold, no trade). Roading Kiel to Bremen and Chippenham to Bremen.
Turn 6: Kiel - Bremen & Lubeck complete. Discover Celts. Kiel finishes spear, starts worker (3 turns). Bremen/Lubeck, 1 turn to complete barracks - switch to growth or build warriiors or temples next?
Turn 9: Discover Vandals. Building warriors in Lubeck, Hohwacht + spear in Bremen. Kiel completes worker, switch to settler. Get Masonry & 1 Gold from Rome, Contact with Visigoths & 5 G from Byzantium for Contact with Vandals
Last edited by Proserpine on 26-07-2004 at 18:48
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joncnunn
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Maryland Heights, MO
Sep 2002
time: 23:36
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Actually, I'd say that the playing the Sassadians is not only not cheating, but a greater challenge. (They are not in the "barbarian" tech tree and can't build all those good barb units.)
Easyist civ is probably the Huns. This is far from optimum, but you can win on Monarch level without building a single settler-type unit. Just place one of the starting ones next to where the Iron will show up and the rest in positions along rivers, especally near wheat. Don't be in a big hurry to settle all of them, it would be benifital to have one of them along the starting road network and another with furs. Now build the cheapest barb miltary unit as police & and a worker in each city in the proper order, depends upon growth, next build the second police, then a baracks, and then start building lots and lots of cheapest barb unit. Important: do not connect the Iron to the trade network until one turn before you have the tech for the warlord.
As for science, confine yourself to the barb tree for research and buy the normal ones, preferably from another barb civ who is behind in the barb techs. Reserach the one allowing Sourge of God first to cut down speed to this wonder.
When you get the tech for warlords, upgrade as many units as you can that turn and start them moving. You have all the techs you really need now [and probably a lot you don't really need that you received via selling to other barbs] so slow down research to build up cash flow for upgrades. Whenever you have a large enough stack to discourage AI attacks, send that group after West Rome even if the stack going to East rome is still in route. The third such stack should head towards Sass, and you guessed it, even if both prevous stacks are still in route. I'd recomend holding any additional warlords upgraded in reserve in preperation for attacking other barb civs in order of east to west.
When your force reaches the East Roman boders, declare war. Then attack to trigure West Rome declaring war. Now bribe barb tribes in the west to attack West Rome while bribing barb tribes in the east to attack East Rome. And bribe the Sass into attacking East rome. Don't expect help from the barb tribes with East Rome and as for the Sass expect them to lose a city or two to the Romans, but that's quite okay! Any city the Sass and barbs lose to Rome is one less city you will need to take later to instant elimate the race. Plus if Rome captured the city intact, they'll probably lose it, which also counts against the city loss limit.
Important, unless the city has a luxary, raize it to the ground! Even if it has a luxary, unless you are positive you can hold it without slowing down your offense, raize it!
We're barbs! We don't need no freaking luxaries!
If you timed it right, your third force south should be reaching the border with the Sass about the time East Rome collapeses. When East Rome does, declare war on the Sass. Left over troops from sacking West Rome may have time to join in. Reserve one military unit, preferably a newly enlisted Maurader to occuply each vacent VP location.
Sass and West Rome should collapse about the same time. When they have, you should find yourself with a major score lead, but probably not enough points to win if you just hit return. So lauch all those warlords that have been building up back home against the eastern most barb civ. When that civ collapses, send to the next one. Repeat until victory. In the mean time, there is now a lot of empty luxary sites and VP sites in lands competely safe form other players, here is where those left over starting horsemen come in handy. For fun try to occuply as many of the VP spots as you can. You may be able to reach the western most in Africa. Also now would be the time to build a couple of settlers to build some cities in the middle east to get some unique luxaries, they will need minor escorts, not from other players, but from minor barb tribes poping up.
If the score limit were higher, I might have been able to collapse all the other civs before the game ended. As it is, only the Angle Saxons, Franks, and Celts survived. The Angle Saxens had suffered 7 lost cities, the Franks 6, and the Celts 5. The Celts had three cities on the mainland.
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joncnunn
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Maryland Heights, MO
Sep 2002
time: 23:36
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Yes, those civs should sack West Rome first. Contract with the Sass to fight East Rome once East Rome intervenes against you. If after Rome falls, the Sass has too many points, contract with the Huns to take the Sass out, but start sacking other barbs because you really don't want to have to sack the Huns.
I also love the Sourge of God wonder.
Yup, building inferstructure is a waste of time in the conquest. Building lots of the cheap barb units and then upgrading to warlords is the way to go.
There's no need to build new cities in those Objective tiles. Just send a unit and fortify it in place and you'll get points. Much safer, because if you get kicked out of an objective that you only have a military unit, it doesn't count against you. A size 1 city geting sacked would. Only replace VP cities that have a luxary that's not already in your empire.
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Originally posted by conmcb25
I have won as the Franks, Germans and Visigoths, but I attacked in all cases at least Western Rome and in some cases Eastern Rome.
Building that wonder that produces WarLords really helps.
Dont spend too much time building up. I have made that mistake before and lost. Its not really a builder scenario.
Have settlers and protection available so after you defeat one of the Romes you can rapidly follow and settle those Objective Tiles. |
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joncnunn
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Maryland Heights, MO
Sep 2002
time: 23:36
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Well, development is largely ilrevelent for the Barbs. Probably not so for the Sassania. And without barb units, having a direct border with East Rome is initally NOT a good thing. I think the only good units that Sassania can get are in the "Rome Strikes Back" era, and since the Sassania need to reserach several techs to do so (they are well ahead of barbs but way behind Rome) ...
And the AI Huns may send a small stack of Horsemen your way as well.
The Huns distance isn't much of an issue for either humans or the AI, your troops just take several turns reaching East Rome / Sass / West Rome, so it's a sucide run, bring all you need in self substaning stacks.
The Germanic barbs will expand east so distance won't be an issue. The eastern most will be flush against your border for an easy wipe out. The next eastern most will be flush against that border, etc.
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Originally posted by Proserpine
jon, I know what you mean about Sassania, but they also start with several cities in a reasonable state of development and a direct border with Byzantium. Sassania can quickly become a powerhouse. Once Byz. is destroyed they have uncontested access to all the VP locations outside Europe. and with a couple of galleys/dromons can easily grab those in S-E Europe.
Your point about the Huns is well made, as I see it the major problem with them though is distance from the action. |
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Doc Tsiolkovski
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Ed Beach (Gobi Bear), the designer of that conquest, has made a Rome version of this himself. We played it during the RBCiv SG series. Be aware, it is brutal - some of the best Civ players around like Charis and Arathorn had a difficult time already at Demigod!
Layout:
Imperialism changed to low WW, 1 MP.
All Barbarian tribes except France and Visigoths are in locked Alliances against the Romes - this also leads to max WW in both Romes.
Colonies in desert allowed.
During playing, it turned out that 3 changes are required:
*East Rome should get a couple more Harbors in Asia minor
*West Rome should have one Legion less in Britain
*The Ostrogoths should be in a locked alliance with the Huns.
The revised version was never released, so you have to apply the changes yourself.
Eastern Rome SG
Western Rome SG
 Attachment: rome_everlasting.zip
This has been downloaded 3 time(s).
Last edited by Doc Tsiolkovski on 07-09-2004 at 04:39
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Dr. A. Cula
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Here's an exploit of sorts: in this scenario, it doesn't matter if you lose 8 cities or lose the same city 8 times, you still lose. There is this one city in Central Europe (I forget it's name) that both Romes will absolutely insist on having (don't know why, it doesn't even have a VP location). I (playing as the Vandals) took it and lost it back to Western Rome about 3 times. That, plus 3 other Western Roman cities that I took, plus one that the Franks managed to grab before losing 8 cities themselves, counted as 8 Western Roman cities lost. Then, Eastern Rome showed up and grabbed the same city from me once more, and then I took, lost and took back another Eastern Roman city and I after I took the rest of the Balcans, it was game over for Eastern Rome as well. At the end of the game, the score page said I had lost 6 cities (the Huns had finished off the Persians and turned against me).
Some might this is an exploit, as it is relatively easy for a human player to simulate a defenceless city.
I agree that taking out both Roman empires can be the key to winning this. In the above game, when Western Rome fel, they were about 4000 VPs away from victory. From what I had seen on the status screen, they would have done that in about 4 turns. Eastern Rome fell much later, when they were only a few hundred VPs away from victory. I had about half of that at that point.
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Proserpine
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London, UK
May 2002
time: 05:36
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Somehow I have so far found this easy as Sassania, very hard as any other Civ. It's probably my playstyle. In my last run (monarch), I kept peace with Byz, until I have a shedload of Hy Cav. then just went to it. Ended up at Turn 130 with just 2 Civs standing, Sass & Celts. Took out Byz., Huns, Visigoths, Vandals & Franks myself. Missed out on the 35,000 limit by about 800 points, but would have passed it easily if I'd realised the Ostro were 7 cities down (Vandals popped it before I could get the units in place).
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chuckdelicious
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When I played through the conquests, I went random (on demi). Of course, I got the Celts. Razing cities wasn't an option until I had conquered a portion of Europe, as the spawn location of the Celts is really really bad. Shuttling troops from Ireland to England to Europe was a chore. Then I almost lost the scenario to the Sassys from points. I had about 15 turns to send all of my troops across the entire map to wipe out their civ. Luckily, the AI is stupid and I had about 100 heavy cavalry. Victory by conquest!
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