27-07-2004 03:45									#1
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This is very cool... for those not following, scroll up to the very top of the page, and look at the announcement in the center.

Since, AU 501 and 503 are both relatively recent, I'd suggest that, for those who still have them, we kickstart by submitting our final saves for those two games.

I'm not sure I understand the process for judging / awarding performance, especially given the comments re AU in the FAQ. I think NM, and maybe Krill, had posted some threads on that subject... I'll try to find them.

Beyond that, conmcb25's reaction in the AU 501 thread is great too... If people want to replay older games for HoF/Tournament purposes, well, godd bless'em!!

As always...

* Theseus beating a dead horse

... we need to figure out a publicity strategy for this, and prolly assign someone to manage the whole effort.

Thanks again, Mark!!

	27-07-2004 04:13									#2
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And, uh, erm, Aeson?

About that 2nd tournament way back when?

	27-07-2004 04:52									#3
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This is a repeat of what I posted in a thread called "CivIII and 'poly" last summer:




"FYI, here is what Kon posted at MZO:
__________________________________

Here are the awards that will be handed out at the end of each Boot Camp.

The Kofi Anan Award: Fastest Diplomatic Win.

The Neil Armstrong Award: Fastest Spaceship Win

The Hernan Cortés Award: Fastest Domination Win

The Michelangelo Award: Fastest Cultural Win

The Alexander the Great: Fastest Conquest Win

The William Shakespeare Award: Best After Action Report

The Leonardo da Vinci Award: Best Overall Game

The Napoléon Bonaparte Award: Most Impressive Move

The Machievelli Award: Most Effective Global Puppeteer

The Adam Smith Award: Juciest Deal Out of the AI (in gpt).


The ['messed up head' smiley] Award: Best defeat

The ['dancing banana' smiley] Award: Highest Overall Score

Rememeber that some of the Awards are voted by the public, so do your best to convince it!

--Kon--

_________________________

We'll obviously need to change this a bit, but I like it... along with both Kon and Vondrack's thoughts on public voting."

	27-07-2004 05:02									#4
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Theseus, what do you mean by judging/ awarding performance? You mean as a separate thing from the HoF?

	27-07-2004 05:32									#5
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I'm not sure how Mark intends that the HoF be used... the Tournaments ranking seems to be by score, with highlights for different win types. But the HoF? Seems to be in-line with some of our thinking about 'coolness'.

	27-07-2004 07:45									#6
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quote: Originally posted by Theseus And, uh, erm, Aeson? About that 2nd tournament way back when?

My first variant game... 2CC. No idea why I didn't go OCC, but probably wasn't brave enough to try it.

	27-07-2004 09:36									#7
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Just givin' you grief... I would've gotten about 500 pts back then.

So, anybody have thoughts on how to capitalize on having a renewed HoW and Tournaments?

	27-07-2004 09:39									#8
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If we put down every single AU course from now on, it's a great organizer, and a great way to attract people. It also helps if we decide to do awards.

	27-07-2004 09:53									#9
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Dom, I think, said a while ago: competition and awards attract people.

Let's just keep it uniquely 'poly.

	27-07-2004 14:40									#10
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the results page can also be sorted by date
http://apolyton.net/hof/hof.php?act...=4&orderby=date

and you can also filter a specific victory type or level
http://apolyton.net/hof/hof.php?s=&...victorytypeid=1


as for awards, we need three things:
1) small icons for each one of them
2) gramphos to code the "automatic" awards (e.g. fastest domination win)
3) gramphos to code some way for giving away the non-automatic awards (e.g. Best After Action Report)
(probably an extra field for the save games, editable only by the hof managers)

anyway, it would be wonderfull if people submitted their existing games for the currently in AU courses.
btw NM tells me he plans to add more of them...

	27-07-2004 14:43									#11
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and
4) the AU community sending a thank you mail to gramphos for the coding. if it werent for him the hof would still be in my wishfull thinking

	27-07-2004 20:27									#12
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Thanks for starting this thread Theseus

And thanks for answering our questions MarkG.

And a REALLY BIG thanks to Graphmos for doing all this coding

Now here is my specific question posted in AU 501.

Can we replay saves for existing AU games that were issued prior to the rebirth of the Tournamemnt/HOF?

The reason why Im asking is that I did not keep the .savs from it and I certainly didn't keep the autosave. No reason too really.

But here are the rules from the Tourney/HOF page:

quote: Rules/Guidelines - You can submit only one game - You must use autosave so that you have the last turn before your win - Use of exploits (like the 1mil gold bug) or external programs is not allowed - If you want to replay the game, feel free to do so and post a game in the tournament`s forum thread(not the HoF)

This tells me that we CAN NOT replay for the HOF. So the only people who could forward a save for the HOF is either:

1. A person who has not played yet.
2. A person whom played previously and kept the last auto.sav prior to victory/defeat.

Im asking this because my suspicion is Im not the only one in this situation and this question is going to come up. I can live with it either way, I just need a ruling for the existing prior AU courses. From now on of course it should have to be the first game you play.

What do you guys think????

The downside I see to allowing replay is that someone who has already played has at least some prior map knowledge and that could be a big advantage.

Thoughts???

	27-07-2004 20:37									#13
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I don't see a problem with it for past games. It should be about having fun and getting participation anyway. So a blank pass should be given for all prior games and only enforce it for future events.

I doubt you will see massive use of replaying. Non submitters probably already read any post on the games.

	27-07-2004 20:43									#14
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I agree with vmxa1...

I think the prohibition against replaying, as stated, was that if you have submitted a save to the HoF, you cannot replay and submit another. Thus, replaying an older AU game and submitting that should be fine.

	27-07-2004 22:13									#15
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I will allow it, but you'd still need confirmation from Markos. As for the awards, let's discuss it in the Back to the Future thread, that way, we can keep the HoF discussion in this thread.

	27-07-2004 22:25									#16
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what vmxa1 and theseus said

	27-07-2004 23:31									#17
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Great!!!!!

Im looking forward to some more Dromon Action, after 6 months it will be almost like playing a new game.

I may even finish the Pilliage and plunder one.

	27-07-2004 23:46									#18
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BTW I really appreciate the view results post and hope to see them done for the rest of the tourneys.

	27-07-2004 23:58									#19
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Me too... thanks again, Mark, and Gramphos, YOU DA MAN!!!

	27-07-2004 23:59									#20
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quote: see them done for the rest of the tourneys

will either need people to post the games themselves or have a volunteer do it

	28-07-2004 00:02									#21
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I do head the Civ III part of the HoF, and I am the AU Dean, so isn't it only fitting that I put up each course?

	28-07-2004 02:00									#22
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Posted in AU 503!!

(little bit of a preview of my final DAR... :lol

	28-07-2004 04:05									#23
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i was talking about the actual saves NM not the the courses

	28-07-2004 04:50									#24
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Even so, we could probably set up a thread the course, that people submit their information. Win/loss, date, way of winning or losing, things like that, so I could just put all of the information in for them.