28-07-2004 02:17									#1
	2120 end turn + 2121 discussion Suffering from ads?

Note the turn attatched is a mid turn. The turn is not complete for reasons below

Looks like we'll meet the Hive next turn. I moved the scout into the fungus to his east. He bounced out, but still revealed a veteren hive synth defender through the fungus. We did not make contact with the Hive though this action, but we will undoubtably make contact next turn when they move into the fungus. We must therefore make preparations for that.

Followed Jt's former plan, except for the Eastern former, where I have so far only moved it north into MorgVulc. The proposed square north of MorgVulc for the road is rocky, and therefore takes three turns to road. The square NW, i.e. the volcano cone, is rolling and so may be quicker. Are there penalties to terraforming for the center volcano square? Either way, it's probably best to road that center square (Even if we have to use the Road to... trick to make it work) as theres a higher chance of successfully moving onto a rolling square than a rocky square with partial movement. Alternativly we could move back to the nut bonus and forest.

Drogue, are we allowed to use the automated formers terraforming abilities?

Mid turn numbered as 2 because I forgot to take screen grabs. Saving a turn mid turn with the same name as an existing file causes a bug. The game thinks you're replaying where you're not. Meh.

JT, if you could finish the turn and post it when the eastern formers action has been decided that'd be great

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	28-07-2004 02:17									#2
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Only the center of the map and the small area uncovered to the south.

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	28-07-2004 03:51									#3
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That litigator can't finish too soon, next we need a prosecutor though.

	28-07-2004 04:02									#4
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The cone of a volcano cannot be terraformed at all, I don't think.

Edit: Oops, I skipped the part about the automated "road to..." thing. That might work if it's allowed... never tried it.

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	28-07-2004 04:13									#5
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quote: Mid turn numbered as 2 because I forgot to take screen grabs. Saving a turn mid turn with the same name as an existing file causes a bug. The game thinks you're replaying where you're not. Meh.

Really?? I've done this a number of times with my PBEM's and no one ever said anything to me about seeing a reload. I hope I don't just look like a cheating jerk without even knowing it!

	28-07-2004 04:55									#6
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the volcano top can be solared, and perhaps even mined.

	28-07-2004 04:55									#7
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I strongly suggest we switch to an armored probe. If Yang gets nasty, he might beat our scout and we'd be defenseless.

	28-07-2004 07:59									#8
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I PM'd Drogue to make sure he knows we have a question about the volcano.

	28-07-2004 13:05									#9
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quote: Originally posted by Chaunk Drogue, are we allowed to use the automated formers terraforming abilities?

Yes. It's not banned by the rules, and doesn't seem like any huge exploit to me.

	28-07-2004 14:38									#10
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Good thing I didn't have to do much... I'm sooo tired.

The former bounced off the peak, so I just used the "road to..." command. Hopefully it doesn't make a ring around the thing trying to get to the top but never quite getting there. (Needs more horsepower? Stick a turbo on there. Aaaarrrr... sorry, channeling Tim The Toolman Taylor.)

I switched to a synth lawyer, too. Hopefully you guys don't mind. It will be kind of expensive to rush it, but it won't have any support cost and will be the staunchest defender on the map for quite a while.

Archaic, how do you want to handle the Yang thing? Do you want to open the turn and get him eating out of our hand, or what? Chaunk, should we let him get his grimey hands all over our toys? Sorry, just teasing... I'm loopy tired.

	28-07-2004 15:37									#11
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quote: Originally posted by jtsisyoda Hopefully it doesn't make a ring around the thing trying to get to the top but never quite getting there. (Needs more horsepower? Stick a turbo on there. Aaaarrrr... sorry, channeling Tim The Toolman Taylor.)

You just gotta love Tim Taylor

quote: I switched to a synth lawyer, too. Hopefully you guys don't mind. It will be kind of expensive to rush it, but it won't have any support cost and will be the staunchest defender on the map for quite a while.

	28-07-2004 22:12									#12
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Archaic hasn't posted in a while I'm afraid. Hopefully he'll turn up soon.

As we're allowed to use parallel turns for diplomacy, someone else should open the turn before the final turn player and see how Yang acts under different cicumstances, providing we've met him of course. I'd suggest that whoever gets to the turn first out of me and jt plays the parallel turn, and the second plays the real turn.

Of course everyone else is welcome to play their parallel turns too The more options we have, more knowledge we have the better IMHO.

Proposed movement:
Formers
Eastern former - move to Volcano center and set to auto road to Morgan Vulcanology.
Southern former - still roading.
Center former - one will finish this turn, sent to road W,SW of it's current location.

Units
Scout, either into fungus or North if Yang synth unit is in the fungus.

Bases
No change - MorInd, MorMet, MorVul.
RFR, rush synth probe. Suggest we pay the full price which should be 54 IIRC.

	28-07-2004 23:12									#13
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Sounds good. I did already set the eastern former to road to the coordinates of the peak, though.

I'm not too keen on AI interaction (I usually tell them to go "sell" themselves) so maybe somebody else should do the parallel turn(s) and tell me what to do with the real turn.

	28-07-2004 23:44									#14
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Heh, I almost always tell the ai to go stuff itself, unless it's offering me something special. In this case though, we just try everything and see what the hive does.

He calls up and demands planNet. We:
give it to him. He offers treaty.
OR
we don't give it to him. He offers treaty.

etc.
We just need to test every option, inclusing being hard nosed ********* as well as offering him everything under the sun. Lets see what happens.

	29-07-2004 03:32									#15
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I'll try giving in to all of his demands.

	29-07-2004 03:42									#16
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Way to stick up for yourself Whoha. Just teasing. Any help would be appreciated.

	29-07-2004 03:50									#17
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Well I'm off to bed so presuming the turn is played soon, I guess I'll be doing the real thing tomorrow. Please remember that reloads really don't count on a parallel turn and try and explore as many different options as possible

	29-07-2004 03:54									#18
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quote: Originally posted by jtsisyoda Way to stick up for yourself Whoha. Just teasing. Any help would be appreciated.

heh.

	29-07-2004 23:31									#19
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The turn is here, I just opened it... Still no contact with Yang, the scout again bounced off the ungus, and we got a mindworm just outside Vulcanology

	29-07-2004 23:41									#20
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Well I'm playing now. This is one of the reasons by the way that parallel turns are limited by no exploration - we could get everyone in the faction to move the scout until it doesn't bounce. It may not bounce in the official turn you see...

	30-07-2004 00:06									#21
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but then, iīm no turnplayer And Iīll never play an official turn without complete orders

My point was that I couldnīt check diplomatic chances with yang because i couldnīt establish contact

	30-07-2004 00:21									#22
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Nor could I in the official turn. *shrugs*