30-07-2004 12:49									#61
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I didn't care about Malcolm X until I read his autobiography and understood where he was coming from.

	30-07-2004 13:22									#62
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Chef Boyardee!

Oh, wait. He was Franco-American.

	30-07-2004 21:07									#63
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shut up Vince

	30-07-2004 21:11									#64
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quote: Originally posted by Albert Speer Ishmael you mean

Uh... I always understood Ishmael to be the first Arab, not necessarily the first Muslim...

Are we talking chronologically here? Or dogma? If the latter you're right, if the former I'm right.

Or maybe we're both wrong... but I can't see we're both right.

Not that it matters. OK, current role model Muslim...

Naseem Hamed? Prince Nasseem the boxer? Not one of the greats - but a good sporting rolemodel.

	30-07-2004 21:12									#65
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What is an Arab anyway?

Someone who wears a tea-towel on his head and drags a camel along or somethin more?

	30-07-2004 21:16									#66
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an arab is technically someone from the Arabian peninsula (so Saudis, Yemenese, Emiratis, Omani, etc.). The other people in the middle east are really their own ethnic groups, descendents of the ancient Babylonians, Assyrians, Phoenicians, Philistines, Egyptians, etc., but they've been grouped as Arabs for centuries and, especially since the Pan-Arabist movement, have seen themselves as Arabs.

whats an englishman?

someone with the accent you associate with criminals, always sipping tea from a little cup with his pinkie finger queerly out and slapping himself saying blimey bloody hell?

	30-07-2004 21:19									#67
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and what the hell is a tea-towel?

	30-07-2004 22:08									#68
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Something you dry the pots with.

	30-07-2004 22:09									#69
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On someone's head:

	30-07-2004 22:13									#70
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there was one fellow in Iraq, a cleric, who was a positive Muslim leader... I saw a biography about him on the History Channel. I forget his name, however he was an opponent of Muqtada Al-Sadr. He was calling for the creation of a secular Democracy in Iraq after Hussein was removed. He believed in a strict seperation of Islam and State. Unfortunately this man was assassinated in a bombing.

	30-07-2004 22:14									#71
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Coincidentally he was killed by Muqtada Al-Sadr.

	30-07-2004 22:15									#72
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quote: Plato, Hannibal, and Cleopatra were both Muslim *and* black.

They were?

	30-07-2004 22:25									#73
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quote: Originally posted by DinoDoc Coincidentally he was killed by Muqtada Al-Sadr.

No, it's more likely Al Qaeda foreign elements were responsible for that bombing. Sadr's militia, while they fight the Americans, aren't likely involved in bombings or attacks against the Iraqi people. Doing so would risk alienating Sadr's base of support, which is about 38% (according to polling). Sadr's father and this man were long-time rivals, but it's highly doubtful Sadr or his group was responsible for his death.

	30-07-2004 22:28									#74
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You know my opinion of Bams Sava. We have evidence that Sadr killed the man and he personally benefited from his death. What do you have?

	30-07-2004 22:51									#75
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Speer and PA,

Drop those racial insults.

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quote: Originally posted by Albert Speer if anything Greek/Egyptian but thats doubtful

Cleopatra was a Pletolomy so she most certainly was at least partially Greek. Given the Greek's additude about the greatness of Greekness and the barbarism of everyone else she was likely pure blood. In fact in their hay day the Pletolomies had brothers marry sisters just so they wouldn't dilute the blood line.

	31-07-2004 00:05									#77
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Speer you spiggin Nazi English-hater

	31-07-2004 00:20									#78
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Ahhh, a good website on Cleopatra. Her father was Ptolemy XII, her first husband was her brother Ptolemy XIII. She and her brother/husband struggled for control of the Kingdom when Cleoptra allied herself with Julius Caesar.

When she was 22 she seduced Ceaser by giving him a hand woven carpet with her naked self wrapped inside it. Together she and Ceaser defeated her brother and had him killed. After that Cleoptra was forced to marry her younger brother Ptolemy XIV though she never the less quickly became Ceaser's lover and she had his son, Caesarion.

When Julius Ceaser was assassinated Rome fell into Civil War between Mark Antony and Octavian. Cleopatra sided with Mark Antony and she also took him as a lover. Romans hated the idea of a foreign Empress and they hated even more that Antony gave parts of the middle east to his girlfriend to rule.

BTW here's a good quote on Cleopatra's decent.

quote: The Ptolemies were of Macedonian descent, yet they ruled Egypt as Egyptians - as Pharaohs. And, indeed, Cleopatra was the last Pharaoh.

	31-07-2004 00:29									#79
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quote: Originally posted by DinoDoc You know my opinion of Bams Sava. We have evidence that Sadr killed the man and he personally benefited from his death. What do you have?

guys name was al khoie, and its pretty clear he was killed by Sadr.

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The Ptolemies saw most of the of Europe and the middle east fall to the Romans and as city after city fell into the Romans hands they allied themselves with Rome to prevent Egypt from being conquored by Rome. Never the less Romans arranged things so that they got a bigger and bigger say in how Egypt was run and Cleopatra seems to have been trying to find a way to save her family's royal status. She saught to marry into the Roman ruling elite. She openly sought to place her & Julius Ceaser's son as both the Emperor of Rome and the Pharaoh of Egypt. Unluckily for her she sided with the wrong side in the Roman civil war and she was forced to commit suicide before Octavius could have her publicly executed.

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quote: Originally posted by lord of the mark guys name was al khoie, and its pretty clear he was killed by Sadr.

It's common knowledge here in Iraq plus the Iraqi courts have indicted Sadr for the murder.

	31-07-2004 00:36									#82
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quote: The Ptolemies saw most of the of Europe and the middle east fall to the Romans and as city after city fell into the Romans hands they allied themselves with Rome to prevent Egypt from being conquored by Rome. Never the less Romans arranged things so that they got a bigger and bigger say in how Egypt was run and Cleopatra seems to have been trying to find a way to save her family's royal status. She saught to marry into the Roman ruling elite. She openly sought to place her & Julius Ceaser's son as both the Emperor of Rome and the Pharaoh of Egypt. Unluckily for her she sided with the wrong side in the Roman civil war and she was forced to commit suicide before Octavius could have her publicly executed.

And that was a good thing for Rome. Imagine more of the dynasty crap carrying on...

	31-07-2004 00:59									#83
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Dr. Bashir, the Saviour of the Federation. (Invented cure for the desease that was killing the Founders)

	31-07-2004 03:53									#84
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lonestar:

there's no God in the future so how can there be a muslim?

and Urban:

racial insults? i was talking about the English, a people that come in all races... welsh, anglo, saxon, jute, norman, french, norwegian, jamaican, indian, pakistani, chinese, etc. The english are a rainbow of races.

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quote: Originally posted by Lonestar Dr. Bashir, the Saviour of the Federation. (Invented cure for the desease that was killing the Founders)

What a tw@t, you don't save your most mortal enemy

	31-07-2004 04:10									#86
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Park Avenue's slurs are wrong but they are freaking hilarious!!!

	31-07-2004 04:12									#87
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quote: Originally posted by Albert Speer lonestar: there's no God in the future so how can there be a muslim? and Urban: racial insults? i was talking about the English, a people that come in all races... welsh, anglo, saxon, jute, norman, french, norwegian, jamaican, indian, pakistani, chinese, etc. The english are a rainbow of races.

Perhaps you mean the BRITISH, as in Great Britain.

First called so when ENGLAND and SCOTLAND and the Principality of WALES had the same monarch, James VI and I.

The United Kingdom comprises the province of Northern Ireland, England, Scotland and Wales, with associated territories such as the Channel Islands.

There is a difference between English and British, you know.

Especially to last ditch racists.

	31-07-2004 04:17									#88
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what about those cockney girls though ?

	31-07-2004 04:21									#89
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pale as lace

	31-07-2004 04:23									#90
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quote: Originally posted by Ted Striker what about those cockney girls though ?

Explain, with examples.