30-07-2004 17:06									#1
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I've just finished one game with a very satisfying Domination victory: 68% of the land mass and 85% of the population. Lots of tank armies to do the trick!

Now I've started another as Egypt and I'm thinking of going for a cultural victory. Not sure how to do that but anyhow.... And I began to wonder what ways everyone else likes to win. Do you always launch the space ship, for example? Or do different things? If so, what and why?

	30-07-2004 17:13									#2
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Domination.

	30-07-2004 17:26									#3
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I feel best launching the spaceship - and that's how I win most often. Or I used to - haven't played an SP game in months.

	30-07-2004 19:35									#4
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UN vote... just kidding

I like having two or three options to win at the end of the game and trying to decide whether to declare war on one of the remaining civs or launch the spaceship....

	30-07-2004 20:13									#5
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Spaceship. I'm a builder at heart. My last game I did clear away the continent though. The germans were just damn beligerant. I couldn't avoid war with them, so I relieved them of all their precious cities.

But even on a small map, I still wasn't that close to domination victory. I just don't have much interest in wars on other continents. It's a pain, and the cities are worthless.

My last game I did both a diplomatic and a space ship (I reloaded after I got the diplomatic- just wanted to do that once). I usually do space ship, even though the modern age is a pain.

Cultural Victory is just impossible. I think I could do it on Warlord, but not on Monarch. I just can't do it.

Interestingly I got a higher score for the diplomatic victory. Can anyone explain that one? I may have had a lower pop though- I didin't count them up. I was getting hit by pollution a lot- I kept reassigning my workers though. So I would think my population would be higher from the space ship victory.

So I may do diplomatic victory more in the future. It avoid the hassle of much of the modern age. A time when the game was already won.

	30-07-2004 22:00									#6
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How do I like to win?

Often. Decisively. Any way I can. Etc. Etc.

I actually like to vary win conditions. Culture is one of my favorites. I like Domination as a military victory because it feels like a short cut to Conquest. If I am big enough to to Domination, then I am big enough to wipe out everybody if so chose. What power! I don't often deliberately go for Diplomatic, but occasionally the gameplay will make that a viable option and I will jump for it. I have never played for a histograph win. One time I settled for it because everything else stalemated. I kept my people numerous and happy and my score edged out the others.

How do I like to win?

Yes.

	31-07-2004 00:14									#7
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I mix it up. Domination prolly most often, but if I've got an incredibly productive machine going, I'll go SS just to see how fast I can get it done. I should try a few games focused on culture. UN is for sissies.

	31-07-2004 03:21									#8
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With C3C I was winning on Victory Points all the time, but that happened so early in the game that I didn't get very far up the tech tree. That became boring, so I've unchecked that option and go for Cultural or Domination victories. I find the latter most satisfying of all, even though I'm basically a builder.

I've also built the SS once (yawn!). I've never won a Diplo victory, although the AI has!

	31-07-2004 03:29									#9
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I used to prefer cultural wins, since it's kind of cruise control up through Regent, and I really wasn't worried about winning. I'll just build my empire up and keep building and having fun until it tells me I won. Then I shifted to spaceship builds, which still allowed me to wreak havoc throughout the game, and just divert a handful of cities to build parts long before the AI when it's time to end the game. Lately, I've turned off Diplo and Culture, and been triggering Domination victories, then playing the game on through total conquest.

	31-07-2004 10:28									#10
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I'm a conquest kind of guy (usually).

	01-08-2004 10:53									#11
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I always leave all the standard options on, ie Conquest, domination, culture. spaceship, diplomatic, and then take whatever win I can get. 75% of the time this is spaceship, with the occasional diplomatic and occasional domination. Cultural is next to impossible at higher levels unless you go close to domiation limit and then milk the game and spaceship option is usually available before I trigger the domination limit. Usually the wars necessary to gain domination are too time consuming for my liking so I prefer the earlier spaceship finish

	01-08-2004 16:03									#12
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quote: I just don't have much interest in wars on other continents. It's a pain, and the cities are worthless.

They're not - they provide free unit support for the glorious armies of the Imperial Republic.

	03-08-2004 01:55									#13
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domination if i can. diplomatic if i am playing sid.....

	03-08-2004 07:05									#14
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now for an add-on question.

How do you like to lose?

	03-08-2004 09:20									#15
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quote: Originally posted by Shogun Gunner UN vote... just kidding I like having two or three options to win at the end of the game and trying to decide whether to declare war on one of the remaining civs or launch the spaceship....

you Sir are a bloody show off

and we would not have it any other way


edit: oh and Domination for me

leave their cities in ruins

	03-08-2004 17:38									#16
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I rarely finish a game once it's obvious that I'm going to win. Then again, I tend to play as a war monger.

	03-08-2004 18:41									#17
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quote: Originally posted by Paddy the Scot you Sir are a bloody show off and we would not have it any other way edit: oh and Domination for me leave their cities in ruins

I think one of my PBEM civs is on the receiving end of your domination strategies!!!

	05-08-2004 14:32									#18
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Domination and Spaceship

	06-08-2004 09:38									#19
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quote: Originally posted by Dissident now for an add-on question. How do you like to lose?

Haven't learned how to do that yet.

	06-08-2004 09:57									#20
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Any way I can.

	07-08-2004 23:45									#21
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Win: Spaceship

Loose: If I go down I'm taking you with me! {I go out in a blaze of nuclear glory).

	11-08-2004 18:17									#22
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Domination.
I have done my first match at Conquest coming from PTW.

Even from my juniority, I dear to suggest that this chat is more interesting if we specify the level we play at.

I have played my first match at Chieftein

	13-08-2004 08:09									#23
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"LETS CRUSH THEM B*TCHAAAAS !!!!" -Anonymous

Military win is perhaps the funnest way to win, specialy when you don't know if you are gonna get it or not.

Indeed, stomping around with Tanks and bombers is very fun if you are a supreme lead. But, for more equal games, which tend to occure more often on higher levels, it really takes a strategic skill to out-number, out-class, and out-manuever the AI.

And let's not forget a lovely little nuclear holocaust caused by either you or a very aggressive nation that you may have pissed off one way or another.

Indeed, telling the Zulus to "piss-off" was a very bad idea when they erupted a nuclear war with me

-Ron

	13-08-2004 08:37									#24
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Domination.
I used to think that if I won this way it just meant I wasn't good enough to get a conquest victory. But after a while conquest victories felt hollow: no fun steamrolling over infantry with MA.
Now, domination makes me feel like I've succeeded as a builder, a war-mongerer, and a diplomat, all neatly rolled in one.
Spaceship leaves a good feeling, too, especially if it was a tight race to get it done first.

	13-08-2004 18:40									#25
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I find it extremly hard to secure a Domination on anything above Monarch level. The AI is ussually very tough and will fight you with a fervent will to win if it has had it's chance to boom. Also, domination ussually comes before conquest if you have the it listed as a possible victory route.

Also, I have always contemplated why they would consider the Space Race a victory. How will sending your settlers to another planet secure a win on earth? I think that would simply enrage people more to know that you bested them in that way.

In response to making your feel like a "builder, a war-monger, and a diplomate", domination really only need's a powerful military and strategicaly placed culture buildings to secure territory, which is often the only thing holding you back for the win.

-Ron

	15-08-2004 08:32									#26
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quote: Originally posted by barbeerhj In response to making your feel like a "builder, a war-monger, and a diplomate", domination really only need's a powerful military and strategicaly placed culture buildings to secure territory, which is often the only thing holding you back for the win. -Ron

Ron--
That sounds a bit like bean counting. Yeah, I could do it that way, but where's the fun? Civ is a great escape for me. I like the game to feel somewhat real to me. I know how to exploit the game well (up to emperor level) for my advantage, but it kinda takes the fun out of it.
I'll bean count my way to the next difficulty level, at first, but my fun games, on huge maps (modded 180x180) I try to keep in my escapist fantasy world, where we grow beans but don't count them.

[edit] Beancounting: (n) doing what is only necessary, without imagination.

	15-08-2004 08:52									#27
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Conquest.

	17-08-2004 20:04									#28
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If I'm gonna lose, I'm gonna bring the world down in flames around me.

	17-08-2004 20:39									#29
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Nukes

	19-08-2004 03:34									#30
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Domination

I love that moment when I realize the opponant has been bled dry and I can run over the rest of him.