31-07-2004 07:29									#1
	ND Chat Support Apolyton, buy Civilization: The Boardgame

this was our last chat with ND, it's not that long but has some interesting points:

quote: Session Start: Thu Jul 29 11:50:32 2004 Session Ident: #gow_cofa [11:50] * Now talking in #gow_cofa [11:50] * Topic is 'The Glory of Diplomacy: Cheese, women, football and backstabbing' [11:50] * Set by MasterZen on Fri Jun 18 14:03:42 [11:50] * ChanServ sets mode: +o MasterZen [11:50] [MasterZen] hi [11:50] [Zayxus] Hello! [11:51] [Darekill] Hi, [11:51] [MasterZen] sorry I'm late, I was.. ehem... sleeping [11:51] [Darekill] just a second BrB [11:51] [Zayxus] At day time? [11:51] [MasterZen] I was sick (again) since last week [11:52] [MasterZen] I decided the best way to cure it was with antibiotics and a LOT of sleep [11:52] [MasterZen] so I've been sleeping like 10 hours each night [11:52] [Zayxus] Get well soon! [11:52] [Zayxus] Yes , sleep is good then. [11:54] [Darekill] We just discovered something... [11:54] [MasterZen] a massive Lego fleet? [11:54] [Darekill] ND has still an active RoP with Lego.... [11:54] [Darekill] That gave me a thought. [11:54] [MasterZen] an "evil" thought? [11:54] [Darekill] An evil scout... [11:55] [MasterZen] hmmmmm.... [11:55] [Darekill] We could sen one Transport with one Scout.... [11:55] [MasterZen] where could it land that Lego wouldn't find out? [11:55] [Darekill] if we can land him unnoticed. [11:55] [MasterZen] THAT's the problem [11:55] [Darekill] We would need the permission from VoX and a save passage. [11:56] [MasterZen] I doubt Vox would agree to it [11:56] [MasterZen] Vox is Lego's vassal [11:56] [Darekill] Even if we coul lan d it noticed but then they would wall it with units... [11:56] [Darekill] Agh it wont work.. [11:57] [Darekill] would have been lovely. [11:57] [MasterZen] yes, VERY lovely [11:57] [MasterZen] isn't there a spy option to steal another's world map? [11:57] [Darekill] Yes ther is. [11:58] [Darekill] At least there was one in Civ2 [11:58] [Darekill] It's still there. [11:58] [MasterZen] yeah, just checked [11:58] [Darekill] I just checked. [11:58] [Darekill] cp [11:59] [MasterZen] doesn't look too expensive either [11:59] [Darekill] fine. [11:59] [MasterZen] I just hope I don't die of a heart attack after we discover how big Lego really is :S [11:59] [Darekill] How do I get Vondrak to think canceling that dammn RoP is his idea? [12:00] [MasterZen] how long until it runs out? [12:00] * MasterZen hopes there's a giant lake in the middle of lego [12:00] [Darekill] It doesnt. [12:00] [Zayxus] :| [12:00] [MasterZen] RoPs last 20 turns [12:00] [MasterZen] maybe you have "automatically renegotiate deals" on [12:01] [Darekill] It is an everlasting stupid freacking not easy canceble Contract which does not run out... [12:01] [Darekill] I don'T know why. [12:01] [MasterZen] sounds like marriage [12:01] [Darekill] I'd have to renegotiate it. [12:01] [Zayxus] Maybe in Civ 4 it is different? [12:01] [Darekill] over the diplo screen. [12:02] [Darekill] If I tell Lego we want to cancle it they suspect something. [12:04] [MasterZen] hmmm [12:04] [MasterZen] I wonder if our RoP with Lego is still active too... [12:04] [Darekill] How did you manage it to be everlasting Zayxus? [12:04] [Darekill] Just have a look at it MZ. [12:06] [Zayxus] There are only facts. There is not a trick for everlasting ROP. [12:08] [MasterZen] loading... [12:08] [Darekill] I get cashes if i click to much in the diplomenu... [12:09] [Darekill] crashes. [12:10] [Darekill] our Rop with you seems to be never ending too. [12:10] [MasterZen] hmm... this is wierd: [12:10] [MasterZen] according to our diplo screen [12:10] [MasterZen] Lego is giving us IRON [12:10] [MasterZen] we're giving them WINES [12:11] [MasterZen] yet in the F2 screen, it shows Lego is giving us Dyes [12:12] [Darekill] If you ask me, that diplo thing is quite mixed up! [12:12] [Zayxus] wierd. wish, there is a refresh-button. [12:13] [Darekill] But we can Test things with the RoP Thing. [12:13] [Darekill] Next turn I try to cancel our RoP and you tell me if you can notice it. [12:14] [Darekill] Hell we can test it right now. [12:14] [Darekill] I'll send you a save. Just tell me if you get a notice that I cancle the ROP. [12:15] [MasterZen] ok [12:15] [Darekill] This is funny I can't pick our Rop. I get our Peacecontract... [12:15] [Darekill] I'll try again... [12:16] [MasterZen] I think the only way is to declare war and then peace [12:17] [Zayxus] but how do we get L to do so? [12:18] [Darekill] No I can choose the ROP with Lego seperately but if I try it with GoW I get Peace AND RoP together and can't single it out... [12:18] [Darekill] This is a complete mess. [12:18] [MasterZen] so you CAN cancel the RoP with Lego? [12:19] [Darekill] Yes but then they'll probably notice it. [12:20] [Darekill] I wanted to make it so, that they think the game cancled it or that it just ran out like a luxury trade... [12:21] [MasterZen] how will they notice it? [12:21] [Zayxus] wont work , we are all professionals in Civ. [12:21] [Darekill] If I put it on the Diplo screen thy do notice it, don't they? [12:22] [MasterZen] ahh [12:22] [MasterZen] I still think maybe in a while we should start a thread about diplomatic "incosistencies" [12:23] [Darekill] Yes! [12:23] [Darekill] I#m confudssed about it. [12:24] [MasterZen] btw, off-topic, any of you play Sim City? [12:24] [Darekill] A long time ago... [12:24] [Zayxus] 2000, yes [12:25] [Zayxus] 3000, a little. [12:25] [Zayxus] why? [12:25] [MasterZen] the alst couple of days I made a city based on Imperial City for SC 3000 [12:25] [Darekill] Never played SC3000 [12:25] [Zayxus] what was the result? [12:26] [MasterZen] it looks really nice [12:27] [Darekill] Do we have something essential to discuss? [12:27] [Darekill] I've got to go allready... [12:27] [MasterZen] one little thing [12:27] [Darekill] O.K. [12:27] [MasterZen] I think GoW will be a little short on Artillery for the strike against Lego, any chance ND could "loan" us some pieces? [12:28] [Darekill] I just upgraded six [12:28] [MasterZen] I just upgraded 16 [12:28] [MasterZen] but that's all we have :S [12:28] [Darekill] We have a grand total of six now [12:28] [MasterZen] haha [12:29] [Darekill] but we could give them to you. [12:29] [MasterZen] ok [12:29] [MasterZen] right now Infantries are our priority [12:30] [Darekill] We would need them back if we were to invade GS. [12:30] [MasterZen] you'd need a bit more than 6 [12:30] [Darekill] When would you need them? [12:30] [MasterZen] in about 18 turns [12:30] [Darekill] of course but we can produce some till then. [12:31] [Darekill] O.K. [12:31] [Darekill] Then we would have some time left to prepare and I think we could give you even more then six. [12:32] [Darekill] But like I said we'd need all of them back when we invade. Is that possible? [12:32] [MasterZen] yes [12:32] [MasterZen] btw, we're looking about Mobilizing [12:32] [MasterZen] perhaps in about 5 turns [12:33] [Darekill] Interesting thought. We should maybe too... [12:33] [MasterZen] I just want to finish some non-military stuff first [12:33] [Darekill] As soon as we have build up which will be soon. [12:33] [MasterZen] right now we have 9 cities doing military builds [12:34] [Darekill] How is your F11 Data shall we compare? [12:34] [MasterZen] actually more, it's like 11 [12:34] [MasterZen] ok [12:34] [MasterZen] let me load again... [12:34] [Darekill] we are in positon 4 in almost every aspect. [12:34] [MasterZen] off my head.. [12:35] [MasterZen] we are 1st in Manufacturing, 4th in GNP, 2nd in land area (don't know why) [12:35] [Darekill] 2nd in Land area???? [12:35] [MasterZen] yes hehee [12:35] [MasterZen] like I said, I have no idea why [12:35] [Darekill] Can'T be that is us. [12:35] [MasterZen] really? [12:35] [MasterZen] haha [12:36] [Darekill] no we are three now... [12:36] [Darekill] strange... [12:36] [Darekill] we are nr. 2 in GNP [12:37] [Darekill] infG. we are 4 [12:37] [Darekill] Mfg. [12:37] [Darekill] Approval 89% Nr.2 [12:37] [MasterZen] how about we take a pic of F11 and e-mail it to each other? [12:38] [Darekill] Yes let's do that [12:38] [MasterZen] also, since you are 2nd in GNP, have you tried estimating GS's GNP? [12:38] [MasterZen] I estimated Lego's manufacturing a few turns ago, it was about 730 megatons [12:39] [Darekill] No What do I have to do to find out... [12:39] [MasterZen] you start removing workforce from your cities so you make your GNP drop [12:40] [MasterZen] when you drop from 2nd place to 3rd place you know what GS's GNP is [12:40] [Darekill] I'll try. [12:41] [MasterZen] ok [12:42] [MasterZen] I just sent you two a pic [12:43] [Darekill] They are close behind us. [12:44] [MasterZen] what's your GNP? [12:44] [Darekill] we have 1117 they have 1098 [12:44] [MasterZen] we're at 1051 [12:44] [MasterZen] we're all pretty close [12:45] [Darekill] I've send a pic too... [12:46] [MasterZen] ok [12:46] [MasterZen] your GNP is impressive, I assume you've built a lot of banks and stock exchanges? [12:47] [Darekill] Yes we did! [12:48] [Darekill] We are building the Wall street too. [12:48] [MasterZen] you know also what we should do? [12:48] [MasterZen] we should compare our respective science power [12:48] [Darekill] lets get it done. [12:49] [MasterZen] so next time we do joint research, the empire with better science power is the one that does the researching [12:49] [MasterZen] ok, just put your slider to 100% and check F1 [12:49] [MasterZen] ok, at 100%, our science is 869 [12:49] [Darekill] Just have to load again.... [12:51] [Darekill] our science is... [12:51] [Darekill] 588 [12:51] [Darekill] We have almost no Librarys or Unis. [12:51] [MasterZen] ah no wonder [12:51] [Darekill] We pay you and you research [12:51] [MasterZen] then it is better for GoW to research and ND to send gold [12:51] [Zayxus] correct [12:51] [Darekill] right. [12:52] [MasterZen] good, I just wanted to check that since your GNP was bigger [12:52] [Darekill] We wont bulild many Libs. [12:52] [Darekill] We emphazise money and Tanks... [12:53] [MasterZen] I wish I had time to build some banks and stocks in Irongard and Killdaria [12:53] [MasterZen] but I don't :S [12:53] [Darekill] How long till you got Tanks? [12:54] [Darekill] And where'S the draft? [12:54] [MasterZen] draft? or mobilization? [12:55] [Darekill] the draft for our alliance [12:55] [MasterZen] ahhhh [12:55] [MasterZen] pardon me, I was feeling like crap since last week [12:55] [MasterZen] today is the first day I feel GOOD [12:56] [Darekill] no problem but we must sign it anyday before we go to war... [12:56] [MasterZen] yep [12:57] * MasterZen is searching for the log right now... [12:57] [Darekill] at least one day before the victory... [12:59] [MasterZen] one hour before... [13:00] [Darekill] *g* [13:01] [MasterZen] btw, I leave for switzerland on september 5th [13:03] [MasterZen] ok, found the log [13:03] [Darekill] my birthday is the 25. september [13:04] [MasterZen] cool, invite me for your party and I'll bring the tequila [13:04] [Darekill] Can do that. [13:04] [Darekill] Though it wont bea big party, I never have a party... [13:08] [MasterZen] I usually never celebrate my birthday unless it's on a thursday-saturday [13:08] [MasterZen] so i celebrate in the nightclub [13:08] [MasterZen] if my birthday is earlier, I just wait [13:08] [Darekill] I'm not a party lion [13:09] [MasterZen] it's hard NOT to be one in Mexico [13:09] [MasterZen] especially here in Puebla, there's not really much to do besides partying [13:09] [Darekill] But I'm a family man. And this is why I have to leave, but you can visit me anyway and you'll get a drink if you do. Even three or four or five... [13:09] [MasterZen] ... or six or seven or eight... [13:10] [MasterZen] hehe [13:10] [Darekill] yep! [13:10] [Darekill] So I'll leve now. [13:10] [MasterZen] no problem, I'll work on the draft and send it to you guys today (SERIOUSLY!) [13:10] [Darekill] Till then. [13:10] [Darekill] c.u. [13:10] [MasterZen] adios [13:10] * Darekill has left #gow_cofa [13:11] [Zayxus] Bye! [13:12] [MasterZen] ciao!