31-07-2004 23:41									#1
	Idea: Moving Hwach'a to Gunpowder advance? Support Apolyton, buy Civilization: The Boardgame

Reasons:

1) To make this UU slightly better. While lethal bombing is ok, against targets with more then 1hp, it

is still as effective as Cannon.
2) For flavor. Why need metallurgy if unit needs no iron
3) To fix graphic glitch with Metallurgy advance when playing Koreans

What do you think?
Good?
Bad?
Unbalanced?

EDIT:
If Hwach'a is on the other hand, really good, what about moving it to Chemistry to fix graphic glitch (and for flavor).

Last edited by player1 on 01-08-2004 at 10:47

	01-08-2004 08:14									#2
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Unbalanced.

I don't think the Hwacha needs any help. The lethal bombard is amazingly effective. Unlike other UUs, once you get a substantial force of it along with guardian muskets, the inertia will carry you to victory. There is no need to replace the fallen UUs that you would have as another civ. The key, of course, to using them is to have a large enough stack to break the enemy, with enough defenders, the barracks will heal them.


the Hwacha. Give me two stacks of say 15 Hwachas and 10 muskets/mi's and a couple knights to clear the path, and I'll be a happy civer, albeit a very slow moving one. And that will be one dead AI.

I don't think it need the help. Plus, it would only then come one tech after Trebuchets

	01-08-2004 10:47									#3
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If Hwach'a is on the other hand, really good, what about moving it to Chemistry to fix graphic glitch (and for flavor).

	01-08-2004 10:51									#4
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By the way, one point abaout balance.
In most cases when using Hwach'a, if units you bomb have more then 1hp, Hwach'a is as good as Cannons.

On the other hand when units already have 1hp, Knights and Cavalry can take them out too (and are more mobile in this regard).

So lethal bombing is good, but I don't think it's way too good on its own.

	01-08-2004 11:21									#5
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What's the graphic glitch?

	01-08-2004 12:14									#6
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Look at Metallurgy advance when playing Koreans.
It's slightly out of place.

	02-08-2004 00:23									#7
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Ah. I don't play the Koreans very often.

	02-08-2004 04:22									#8
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bah! they still suck. 15 Hawachas?

I can do more damage with 5 immortals

	03-08-2004 05:16									#9
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The Immortal is a n00b UU. The Impi and the Dromon are hardcore.

	03-08-2004 07:04									#10
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I like the Dromon. I used it last game. Although a few spearman managed to take them out

	03-08-2004 07:22									#11
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May I ask how a spearman managed to kill a ship?

	03-08-2004 09:04									#12
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. I must have my UU's confused.

Although with this game, it wouldn't surprise me if a spearman could take out a ship.

	03-08-2004 17:34									#13
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The Dromon rocks. I use 'em right up into the Industrial age. Same attack as a Frigate, but can carry units, dirt cheap at only 30 shields, move of 4, lethal sea bombard. In the ancient/med era, you can bombard AI land with impunity. Later on, build a group of them into a wolfpack to take on even Galleons and Frigates- bombard, bombard, bombard, bombard, bombard, attack and sink.

Oh yeah.

	05-08-2004 07:09									#14
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^ Knows a hardcore UU when he sees one.

	05-08-2004 07:24									#15
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can't see using a ship UU.

If navies actually meant something in this game, I'd actually build them. I usually don't get around to building a navy until the modern age. Not out of necessity, but because I run out of things to build, and being a former squid, I just like having modern navies.

	13-08-2004 07:46									#16
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How is the Impi "Hardcore"?

At best, you can use him to pillage and worker raid. It's not like he is gonna go take a city from a warrior or smash a spearman on defence.

-Ron