07-08-2004 18:27									#181
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I am surprised that as high as Brady went, that none of the NE WRs have been chosen. So the last pick of the 10th round is Dieon Branch and the 1st pick of the 11th round is RB DeShaun Foster.

1) gjramsey = 7. Ramsey's Razorbacks
2) Kalius = 1. Sarlat
3) SlowwHand = 12. Dallas Dwarf Tossers
4) Tuberski = 4. Billy's Boingers
5) Japher = 6. Flippin' Monkey Men
6) reismark = 10. Kyrandia Dragonhawks
7) Zopperoni = 2. Amsterdam Afros
8) Dissident = 8. Vegas Skullsmashers
9) -Jrabbit = 9. Cute Little Bunnies
10) Berzerker = 11. Berzerkers
11) Imran Siddiqui = 5. Georgia Gliders
12) Jac de Molay = 3. Fighting Emus

1.01 Priest Holmes, RB (KC)
1.02 LaDainian Tomlinson, RB (SD)
1.03 Edgerrin James, RB (IND)
1.04 Ahman Green, RB (GB)
1.05 Kevan Barlow, RB (SF)
1.06 Shaun Alexander, RB (SEA)
1.07 Deuce McAllister, RB (NO)
1.08 Peyton Manning, QB (IND)
1.09 Clinton Portis, RB (WAS)
1.10 Jamal Lewis, RB (BAL)
1.11 Randy Moss, WR (MIN)
1.12 Daunte Culpepper, QB (MIN)

2.12 Fred Taylor, RB (JAC)
2.11 Travis Henry, RB (BUF)
2.10 Marvin Harrison, WR (IND)
2.09 Torry Holt, WR (StL)
2.08 Marshall Faulk, RB (StL)
2.07 Domanick Davis, RB (HOU)
2.06 Terrell Owens, WR (PHI)
2.05 Matt Hasselbeck, QB (SEA)
2.04 Stephen Davis, RB (CAR)
2.03 Steve McNair, QB (TEN)
2.02 Corey Dillon, RB (NE)
2.01 Donovan McNabb, QB (PHI)

3.01 Chad Johnson, WR (CIN)
3.02 Michael Vick, QB (ATL)
3.03 Steve Smith, WR (CAR)
3.04 Tony Gonzalez, TE (KC)
3.05 Anquan Boldin, WR (ARI)
3.06 Rudi Johnson, RB (CIN)
3.07 Hines Ward, WR (PIT)
3.08 Brian Westbrook, RB (PHI)
3.09 Santana Moss, WR (NYJ)
3.10 Thomas Jones, RB (CHI)
3.11 Michael Bennett, RB (MIN)
3.12 T.J. Duckett, RB (ATL)

4.12 Derrick Mason, WR (TEN)
4.11 Trent Green, QB (KC)
4.10 Brett Favre, QB (GB)
4.09 Tiki Barber, RB (NYG)
4.08 Joe Horn, WR (NOS)
4.07 Laveranues Coles, WR (WAS)
4.06 Peerless Price, WR (ATL)
4.05 Curtis Martin, RB (NYJ)
4.04 Eric Moulds, WR (BUF)
4.03 Eddie George, RB (DAL)
4.02 Andre Johnson, WR (HOU)
4.01 Javon Walker, WR (GB)

5.01 Kevin Jones, RB (DET)
5.02 Marty Booker, WR (CHI)
5.03 Chris Chambers,, WR (MIA)
5.04 Aaron Brooks, QB (NO)
5.05 Amani Toomer, WR (NYG)
5.06 Tom Brady, QB (NE)
5.07 Marc Bulger, QB (StL)
5.08 Peter Warrick, WR (CIN)
5.09 New England, DEF (NE)
5.10 Charlie Garner, RB (TB)
5.11 Darrell Jackson, WR (SEA)
5.12 Reggie Wayne, WR (IND)

6.12 Plaxico Burress, WR (PIT)
6.11 Duce Staley, RB (PIT)
6.10 Dante Hall, WR (KC)
6.09 Kellen Winslow, TE (CLE)
6.08 Baltimore, DEF (BAL)
6.07 Todd Heap, TE (BAL)
6.06 David Boston, WR (MIA)
6.05 Minnesota, DEF (MIN)
6.04 Dallas, DEF (DAL)
6.03 Tennessee, DEF (TEN)
6.02 Mike Vanderjagt, K (IND)
6.01 Chad Pennington, QB (NYJ)

7.01 Jeremy Shockey, TE (NYG)
7.02 Antonio Gates, TE (SD)
7.03 Koren Robinson , WR (SEA)
7.04 Charles Rogers, WR (DET)
7.05 Marcus Pollard, TE (IND)
7.06 Chris Brown, RB (TENN)
7.07 Isaac Bruce, WR (STL)
7.08 Jeff Wilkins, K (STL)
7.09 Warrick Dunn, RB (ATL)
7.10 Keenan McCardell, WR (TB)
7.11 Alge Crumpler, TE (ATL)
7.12 Jon Kitna, QB (CIN)

8.12 Carolina, DEF (CAR)
8.11 Philadelphia, DEF (PHI)
8.10 Tampa Bay, DEF (TB)
8.09 Brad Johnson, QB (TB)
8.08 Freddie Jones, TE (ARZ)
8.07 Julius Jones, RB (DAL)
8.06 Jacksonville, DEF (JAC)
8.05 Joey Harrington, QB (DET)
8.04 David Akers, K (PHI)
8.03 Roy Williams, WR (DET)
8.02 Josh McCown, QB (ARZ)
8.01 Jay Feely, K (ATL)

9.01 Larry Fitzgerald, WR (ARZ)
9.02 Quentin Griffin, RB (DEN)
9.03 Moe Williams, RB (MIN)
9.04 Lee Suggs, RB (CLE)
9.05 Brandon Lloyd, WR (SF)
9.06 Boo Williams, TE (NO)
9.07 Miami, DEF (MIA)
9.08 Travis Minor, RB (MIA)
9.09 Jeff Garcia, QB (CLE)
9.10 Correll Buckhalter, RB (PHI)
9.11 Ashley Lelie, WR (DEN)
9.12 Jim Kleinsasser, TE (MIN)

10.12 Jason Hanson, K (DET)
10.11 Jimmy Smith, WR (JAC)
10.10 Jason Elam, K (DEN)
10.09 Rod Smith WR (DEN)
10.08 Tommy Maddox, QB (PIT)
10.07 Byron Leftwich, QB (JAC)
10.06 Justin McCareins, WR (NYJ)
10.05 Jake Delhomme, QB (CAR)
10.04 Jake Plummer, QB (DEN)
10.03 Dallas Clark, TE (IND)
10.02 Donte Stallworth, WR (NO)
10.01 Deion Branch, WR (NE)

11.01 DeShaun Foster, RB (CAR)


edit to replace injured Shipp with Foster

Last edited by gjramsey on 07-08-2004 at 21:33

	07-08-2004 19:40									#182
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quote: I am surprised that as high as Brady went, that none of the NE WRs have been chosen.

It's mostly because Brady has this maddening quality to spread the ball around .

Kalius is back up.

	07-08-2004 19:40									#183
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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui I got Tubs' pick. He'll be gone until Saturday, Slow, so you'll have to wait. Tubs wanted the best available QB. According to BAPAY that would be Jake Plummer (DAMN YOU, Tubs! ) Of course, he can change it within the next 6 picks if he's around if he doesn't like the pick.

I am quite happy with Plummer.



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	07-08-2004 20:36									#184
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Sounds good . Glad to have you back... now we wait on Kalius .

	07-08-2004 20:45									#185
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Oh no! Bad News for Reis!

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/colum..._len&id=1853849

quote: In the latest catastrophe for the star-crossed Miami Dolphins, the team said late Friday night that wide receiver David Boston will miss the entire 2004 season after he suffered a knee injury earlier in the day during a practice with the Houston Texans.

Bad luck for the Fins... and Reis, you can replace the dude for another player whenever you come back online. I know you left me a list (and won't be around for a bit), but I'd figure you'd probably want to specifically draft a WR to replace Boston.

Kalius is still up, Reis just gets to butt in whenever he comes back online.... I just hope that you will give the same consideration to the person picking behind you as I gave to you.

	07-08-2004 20:51									#186
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Btw, MARCEL SHIPP is out 8-12 weeks:

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=1854052

Don't pick him!!

	07-08-2004 20:58									#187
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Um, kalius just did.....

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	07-08-2004 21:05									#188
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Actually that was gjramsey... but point taken .

	07-08-2004 21:29									#189
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OK, since there has not been another pick yet, can I change my choice on Shipp?

	07-08-2004 21:31									#190
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just read my PM from Imran. I am going to my pick on Shipp to DeShaun FosterRb from Carolina.

	07-08-2004 21:35									#191
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And the list was updated above. I guess I need to read the reports more closely before making a pick

	07-08-2004 21:51									#192
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gone. read closer.

	08-08-2004 01:26									#193
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1) gjramsey = 7. Ramsey's Razorbacks
2) Kalius = 1. Sarlat
3) SlowwHand = 12. Dallas Dwarf Tossers
4) Tuberski = 4. Billy's Boingers
5) Japher = 6. Flippin' Monkey Men
6) reismark = 10. Kyrandia Dragonhawks
7) Zopperoni = 2. Amsterdam Afros
8) Dissident = 8. Vegas Skullsmashers
9) -Jrabbit = 9. Cute Little Bunnies
10) Berzerker = 11. Berzerkers
11) Imran Siddiqui = 5. Georgia Gliders
12) Jac de Molay = 3. Fighting Emus

1.01 Priest Holmes, RB (KC)
1.02 LaDainian Tomlinson, RB (SD)
1.03 Edgerrin James, RB (IND)
1.04 Ahman Green, RB (GB)
1.05 Kevan Barlow, RB (SF)
1.06 Shaun Alexander, RB (SEA)
1.07 Deuce McAllister, RB (NO)
1.08 Peyton Manning, QB (IND)
1.09 Clinton Portis, RB (WAS)
1.10 Jamal Lewis, RB (BAL)
1.11 Randy Moss, WR (MIN)
1.12 Daunte Culpepper, QB (MIN)

2.12 Fred Taylor, RB (JAC)
2.11 Travis Henry, RB (BUF)
2.10 Marvin Harrison, WR (IND)
2.09 Torry Holt, WR (StL)
2.08 Marshall Faulk, RB (StL)
2.07 Domanick Davis, RB (HOU)
2.06 Terrell Owens, WR (PHI)
2.05 Matt Hasselbeck, QB (SEA)
2.04 Stephen Davis, RB (CAR)
2.03 Steve McNair, QB (TEN)
2.02 Corey Dillon, RB (NE)
2.01 Donovan McNabb, QB (PHI)

3.01 Chad Johnson, WR (CIN)
3.02 Michael Vick, QB (ATL)
3.03 Steve Smith, WR (CAR)
3.04 Tony Gonzalez, TE (KC)
3.05 Anquan Boldin, WR (ARI)
3.06 Rudi Johnson, RB (CIN)
3.07 Hines Ward, WR (PIT)
3.08 Brian Westbrook, RB (PHI)
3.09 Santana Moss, WR (NYJ)
3.10 Thomas Jones, RB (CHI)
3.11 Michael Bennett, RB (MIN)
3.12 T.J. Duckett, RB (ATL)

4.12 Derrick Mason, WR (TEN)
4.11 Trent Green, QB (KC)
4.10 Brett Favre, QB (GB)
4.09 Tiki Barber, RB (NYG)
4.08 Joe Horn, WR (NOS)
4.07 Laveranues Coles, WR (WAS)
4.06 Peerless Price, WR (ATL)
4.05 Curtis Martin, RB (NYJ)
4.04 Eric Moulds, WR (BUF)
4.03 Eddie George, RB (DAL)
4.02 Andre Johnson, WR (HOU)
4.01 Javon Walker, WR (GB)

5.01 Kevin Jones, RB (DET)
5.02 Marty Booker, WR (CHI)
5.03 Chris Chambers,, WR (MIA)
5.04 Aaron Brooks, QB (NO)
5.05 Amani Toomer, WR (NYG)
5.06 Tom Brady, QB (NE)
5.07 Marc Bulger, QB (StL)
5.08 Peter Warrick, WR (CIN)
5.09 New England, DEF (NE)
5.10 Charlie Garner, RB (TB)
5.11 Darrell Jackson, WR (SEA)
5.12 Reggie Wayne, WR (IND)

6.12 Plaxico Burress, WR (PIT)
6.11 Duce Staley, RB (PIT)
6.10 Dante Hall, WR (KC)
6.09 Kellen Winslow, TE (CLE)
6.08 Baltimore, DEF (BAL)
6.07 Todd Heap, TE (BAL)
6.06 David Boston, WR (MIA)
6.05 Minnesota, DEF (MIN)
6.04 Dallas, DEF (DAL)
6.03 Tennessee, DEF (TEN)
6.02 Mike Vanderjagt, K (IND)
6.01 Chad Pennington, QB (NYJ)

7.01 Jeremy Shockey, TE (NYG)
7.02 Antonio Gates, TE (SD)
7.03 Koren Robinson , WR (SEA)
7.04 Charles Rogers, WR (DET)
7.05 Marcus Pollard, TE (IND)
7.06 Chris Brown, RB (TENN)
7.07 Isaac Bruce, WR (STL)
7.08 Jeff Wilkins, K (STL)
7.09 Warrick Dunn, RB (ATL)
7.10 Keenan McCardell, WR (TB)
7.11 Alge Crumpler, TE (ATL)
7.12 Jon Kitna, QB (CIN)

8.12 Carolina, DEF (CAR)
8.11 Philadelphia, DEF (PHI)
8.10 Tampa Bay, DEF (TB)
8.09 Brad Johnson, QB (TB)
8.08 Freddie Jones, TE (ARZ)
8.07 Julius Jones, RB (DAL)
8.06 Jacksonville, DEF (JAC)
8.05 Joey Harrington, QB (DET)
8.04 David Akers, K (PHI)
8.03 Roy Williams, WR (DET)
8.02 Josh McCown, QB (ARZ)
8.01 Jay Feely, K (ATL)

9.01 Larry Fitzgerald, WR (ARZ)
9.02 Quentin Griffin, RB (DEN)
9.03 Moe Williams, RB (MIN)
9.04 Lee Suggs, RB (CLE)
9.05 Brandon Lloyd, WR (SF)
9.06 Boo Williams, TE (NO)
9.07 Miami, DEF (MIA)
9.08 Travis Minor, RB (MIA)
9.09 Jeff Garcia, QB (CLE)
9.10 Correll Buckhalter, RB (PHI)
9.11 Ashley Lelie, WR (DEN)
9.12 Jim Kleinsasser, TE (MIN)

10.12 Jason Hanson, K (DET)
10.11 Jimmy Smith, WR (JAC)
10.10 Jason Elam, K (DEN)
10.09 Rod Smith WR (DEN)
10.08 Tommy Maddox, QB (PIT)
10.07 Byron Leftwich, QB (JAC)
10.06 Justin McCareins, WR (NYJ)
10.05 Jake Delhomme, QB (CAR)
10.04 Jake Plummer, QB (DEN)
10.03 Dallas Clark, TE (IND)
10.02 Donte Stallworth, WR (NO)
10.01 Deion Branch, WR (NE)

11.01 DeShaun Foster, RB (CAR)
11.02 Najeh Davenport, RB (GB)

	08-08-2004 02:46									#194
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quote: Originally posted by SlowwHand gone. read closer.

yep, gone to me!

	08-08-2004 03:21									#195
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Trying to make you go, "Huh?".

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	08-08-2004 04:06									#196
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yes, it did, damnit.

	08-08-2004 05:08									#197
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Well, David Boston crashed and burned faster than I thought he might, and now Miami's even more screwed than it was before. Fortunately, since our esteemed Commish says I can take a supplemental pick to replace Boston, I'm not.

To replace Boston, I take: Jerry Porter, WR (OAK).

	08-08-2004 05:21									#198
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Hang on, it doesn't work that way. The supplemental draft is a draft that follows the actual draft.

	08-08-2004 05:33									#199
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quote: Hey, Boston just got hurt for the year. Whenever you get back, you can have a supplemental pick to replace Boston with whoever hasn't been picked! If it comes to your turn, instead of using your list, I'll just wait for you to make your two picks (one for that pick and the other to replace Boston).

That's what Imran wrote me. I interpret that to mean I can use it whenever.

	08-08-2004 05:39									#200
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Hm, I always have the FFZ rules in my head about these things, since we never discussed these things properly together.

Damn, Imran, when the hell did you decide this and not inform the league properly?!

If this goes, then I should have had the opportunity to replace Vick last year. This is utter bullshit right now. I know I was lenient on the Ricky Williams issue but this is an injury, nothing more and nothing less.

I took Boston in the other draft. Tough turnips there, tough turnips here.

	08-08-2004 05:41									#201
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I think we discusssed it in the last thread, if anyone want to wade through all those posts

	08-08-2004 05:46									#202
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Yea, I found it, mea culpa. I was mixed up with the BAPAY-regulations and the FFZ rules.

Obviously I still get rather pissed off about the Vick incident because it concerns reismark.

	08-08-2004 08:07									#203
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quote: Originally posted by Zopperoni Obviously I still get rather pissed off about the Vick incident because it concerns reismark.

Understandble - especially since your situation involved your starting quarterback (a position where quality players are at more of a premium) while mine involves a wide receiver with starter potential I drafted as a reserve.

If it's because you were interested in drafting Porter, I'm willing to consider a trade. Imran gave me that much when he lost Ricky, and it's only fair I pass the favor on.

	08-08-2004 08:15									#204
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*yawn* I'm going to bed. I shall return...

	08-08-2004 10:09									#205
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FWIW, I think if a drafted player gets injured in RL, it's just hard luck for the one who drafted him. If it happens within a round of drafting him (or some such standard), fine.

Now, I don't really want to make an issue of this, but Boston was drafted in the SIXTH ROUND!!! WTF, we just turn back the clock? i wouldn't even have the nerve to ask for such benificence.

The Rickey Williams thing was earth-shattering and much more "of the moment" than this. The sixth round was about 2 weeks ago fercrynoutloud.

Commissioner, please reconsider this. If you declines to do so, fine, you're the commish, but can we PLEASE have some CLEAR definition on this issue before we're adjudicating hamstrings and hangnails??

It's all well and good that we play a friendly game, no stakes but local honor and all that. But every game needs rules.

Why do we screw up the draft just because someone lost his 3rd string WR???? It's the 11th round of a 14 round draft and pickings are getting slim. Nothing against reismark, but the Michael Vick comment hits home for me.

Just where do you draw the line?

This ruling makes no sense.

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	08-08-2004 10:51									#206
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What doesn't make sense?

If Boston was lost for 6-8 weeks, that would be a tough break for Reismark. No replacement player or anything else.

However, he was lost for the entire season, which makes the pick totally useless.

Besides, like you said, he was a reserve WR, if anybody is still picking starters this late into the draft they are screwed anyway.

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	08-08-2004 10:54									#207
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As far as the Michael Vick thing, I'm not so certain he was injured until the later rounds last year anyway.

Not only that, Reismark doesn't get to pick players that are already taken.

Although, I would have taken Porter if he had been available, after Slowwy's next BAPAY.......

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	08-08-2004 11:02									#208
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I say tough luck to reismark. He chose to have rights to David Boston. He still has rights to David Boston. Why should he get an extra pick? Makes no sense to me.

He should get 15 picks, full stop. No more no less, and if one of those players gets injured in training camp, tough luck.

	08-08-2004 11:04									#209
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quote: Originally posted by Kalius I say tough luck to reismark. He chose to have rights to David Boston. He still has rights to David Boston. Why should he get an extra pick? Makes no sense to me. He should get 15 picks, full stop. No more no less, and if one of those players gets injured in training camp, tough luck.

Sure, except that the precedent has already been set.

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	08-08-2004 11:08									#210
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I'm sticking to my guns though, and saying that getting extra picks because you got a dose of bad luck is a joke.