01-08-2004 11:18									#1
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Yeah, the Probe Rollover again.

A suggestion that I don't think was discussed: why not change the Angel's faction .txt file to give +1 SEProbe after they get PSA?

	01-08-2004 11:26									#2
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Can't be done anymore, the .txt is incorporated in the game after it starts. Besides, this is discussed in June, and decided that other teams must fulfill certain conditions when they successfully probe the Angels.

	01-08-2004 12:02									#3
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Refresh my memory please - what conditions?

	01-08-2004 12:25									#4
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When mindcontrolling bases/units, the cost to do so is halved due to the bug, thus the offending party must spent the amount it needed to mindcontrol also in the same turn (overpaying a hurry cost or sth like that). Also, this indicates that a faction cannot mindcontrol Angel units (at +4 probe) if it doesn't has the double cash in stock the game asks to succesfully do so.

That was the most important I think, perhaps one of the mods can clarify more, or check the gamerules.

	01-08-2004 12:44									#5
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I see. So basically we're fixing the bug by paying the extra otherwise? As long as people go by it, it's a good system. Thanks for the info.

But how about probabilities? Doesn't the probe rating affect that too?

	01-08-2004 15:07									#6
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That I don't know. But it seems (info from Maniac) that the morale level is not affected, so chances of success should remain the same.

	01-08-2004 15:22									#7
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I just seem to recall hearing that only tha alpha(x) got incorporated.

	01-08-2004 15:57									#8
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The factions too.

	01-08-2004 17:57									#9
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quote: Originally posted by #endgame I just seem to recall hearing that only tha alpha(x) got incorporated.

To the best of my knowledge only the #UNITS Section of the alpha(x).txt file gets incorporated into a game. Also, I am fairly certain that the Factions are not incorporated into a game, either.
However, the way to verify this is to generate a game on one machine, and then have the changes verified on another machine, as there does seem to be something "quirky" about scenario'd changes being carried over locally. FYI.

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	04-08-2004 09:51									#10
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Wait, I didn't even know you can give or take away faction power social engineering settings upon fulfilling certain conditions like discovering a tech (besides the options FREEFAC or the free ability thing)...its not like they have an "if" condition you can stick somewhere in the file, right?

	04-08-2004 14:24									#11
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Darsnan: regarding the factions being changeble during a game, I've heard otherwise. I think it was Kody who told us.

	09-08-2004 06:22									#12
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I don't really recall saying that. I think I said it's possible to change an faction to AI control. Or allow a team to take over a AI faction. However, I think most people here want a more generic experience as they're after the competitive aspect of the game, so don't start requesting it.

	08-09-2004 20:26									#13
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Anyway I'm still curious.....its possible to have a condition for a social engineering setting?

Ie. if. tech discovered give +1, or something...

Although best is robust to knowledge.

	08-09-2004 20:37									#14
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quote: Also, this indicates that a faction cannot mindcontrol Angel units (at +4 probe) if it doesn't has the double cash in stock the game asks to succesfully do so.

If PROBE = 3 all units and bases become immune to any sort of probe infiltration
Ratings over 3 should be treated as 3, so there's no probe action you can take on Angels if they have either Fundy SE,Pre-Sentient Algo tech or Telephatic Matrix SP!!!

There should be NO discussion about this, I think it's clear!

	08-09-2004 20:48									#15
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Not true. You can perform all probe operations *except* mind control on a faction with +3 probe.

	08-09-2004 20:53									#16
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But last time I tried to probe Miriam with fundy it just left my probe uselessly hanging around..
And the message was:

"blahblah.. has rendered all units and cities immune to any kind of probe infiltration"

	08-09-2004 21:40									#17
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quote: But last time I tried to probe Miriam with fundy it just left my probe uselessly hanging around.. And the message was: "blahblah.. has rendered all units and cities immune to any kind of probe infiltration"

You can sabotage cities, and stuff, you just can't mind control them...

	09-09-2004 06:36									#18
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Is the cost of mind control the only bug with a +4 probe rating?

	09-09-2004 09:59									#19
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That and the possibility of doing so before you should be able

	10-09-2004 08:35									#20
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quote: Originally posted by Natalinasmpf Anyway I'm still curious.....its possible to have a condition for a social engineering setting? Ie. if. tech discovered give +1, or something... Although best is robust to knowledge.

Not that I'm aware of. I think the proposition was to change the faction .txt

	19-09-2004 00:32									#21
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*bump*

	19-09-2004 20:14									#22
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Why bump, the rules have been agreed, and as said before, will not be changed mid game. Hasn't this been resolved?

	19-09-2004 21:08									#23
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Never mind, Drogue, 't was one of those days yesterday...

	19-09-2004 23:49									#24
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No worries Geo.

Closed.