03-08-2004 15:26									#121
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"There's definitely a difference between beers like Bud and beers like Carlsberg and Stella. Bud is pretty much water."

Water for me is 4% beers or lower (pointless), Bud was 5% so is a premium lager.

	03-08-2004 17:16									#122
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Maybe I should gather some money, and go to america for a microbrewery tour (if the products of those are as good as these fellow-americans claim they are)

	03-08-2004 17:21									#123
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Sam Adams, to me, makes up for the lousy American beer quality. They have enough different kinds of beer that I don't have to have another American if I don't want to.

Also, as much as I dislike PA, they do have a good lager in Yeugling...hopefully it will get more of a national appeal in the future.

	03-08-2004 18:07									#124
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I'd echo the people who say that the reason Coors and Bud are halfway successful is because there are a LOT of people who just want to get drunk cheap.

Secondly, LOW CARB BEER?! Wha? What a travesty!

	03-08-2004 18:41									#125
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quote: Originally posted by Ming People who want taste and are willing to pay for it are drinking wine or expensive premium hard stuff. All of which some say taste far better than premium beers

Speak for yourself. I for one have money to burn and I like to drink complex beers. Sure, I like wine and I have a fairly decent collection but I normally save that for special occations. In California you can get great micro brewed beer for any where from $5-$8 per 6-pack so it's not that expensive. A good wine will set you back $12-$30 per bottle, great wines can go much higher, though you can find decent wine for as little as $3 per bottle (once again it's good to live in California).

There are a lot of us out there who like beer and who consider ourselves connoisseurs. We drink for taste just like wine drinkers. Beer can be just as flavorful as wine if the brewer knows what he's doing and there is a great deal more varity because beer uses more types of ingredients then your average wine.

	03-08-2004 18:51									#126
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quote: Originally posted by Timexwatch College students are starting to get back into that kind of Malt Liquor from what I see, but right now it's pretty much regarded as a "Black" drink or extremely low class.

Yep, When I was in College the only 40 oz malt liquor which was even semi ok for a white person to drink was Mickey's. Even that was seen as totally trashy though. Since you can always get free shite beer at parties most of my friends and I either drank good beer or vodka when we were pre-partying. Being partially drunk already made it easier to drink glasses of Natural Ice and Miller High Life. :vom:

	03-08-2004 19:02									#127
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quote: Originally posted by Oerdin Speak for yourself. I for one have money to burn and I like to drink complex beers. Sure, I like wine and I have a fairly decent collection but I normally save that for special occations.

A classic example of limited "quoting"

I followed that up with:

quote: People who do like real beer, can get great beers in the US. There are ton's of micro breweries that are doing great... they just aren't the well known big three. The micro breweries know their target... and the big three understand theirs

I did cover the fact that there are people like you who actually do like beer over the other more expensive alternatives.

	04-08-2004 07:29									#128
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Beer is the new wine, Ming, don't you know that?

I'm now trying Otter Creek Stovepipe porter. It's a few notches above most that I've had, it's very...smokey and sweet with a taste of coffee. Thumbs up for those dirty hippies in Vermont...

	04-08-2004 09:52									#129
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Steve Jackson had a nice article about beer being the new wine a few month's back. He spoke about wine makers consistantly promoting their product as being a part of the good life while to many beer makers market their prouct based upon price points. If beer makers would start identifying their products as being complex and worthy of the connoisseur's attention then they just might find more connoisseur's are willing to give them a try.