02-08-2004 13:36									#1
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The Globe and Mail did a blind taste test of Coors Light to see if there is a difference between the piss brewed in the US and the stuff made in Canada.

Apparently there is. Two of three beer experts correctly identified the Canadian brewed beer.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/serv...siness/Canadian

Some of the comments are classic:

"I didn't think No. 1 [the Canadian brew] was appropriate for the U.S. market. I thought there was a little too much flavour there."

"Do we have to drink more Coors?"

"Technically, it's a challenge to brew a beer with no flavour."

"This is beer for people who don't like beer."

	02-08-2004 14:16									#2
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I do believe Coors actually TRIES to have a bland beer.

	02-08-2004 14:35									#3
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Once i tried Corona Light - man, I drank tap water with more flavour....

Its girlie beer...

	02-08-2004 14:54									#4
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quote: Originally posted by Tingkai The Globe and Mail did a blind taste test of Coors Light to see if there is a difference between the piss brewed in the US and the stuff made in Canada. Apparently there is. Two of three beer experts correctly identified the Canadian brewed beer.

That implies one out of three didn't. Hardly conclusive. (or does that just say a lot about "experts")

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Experts - an ex is a has been, and a spurt is a drip under pressure.

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Gee... a light beer has no taste... and this comes as a surprise why?

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DO Americans actually drink any bitter?

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Judging by the amounts of vodka we sell them, one'd hope they didn't drink anything else at all.

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The strength of US beershas never lied in the mass marketed stuff. But if you look at international beer comeptitions, you'll find the USA takes nearly all the top places. That's because our microbrews are the best in the world.

	02-08-2004 18:19									#10
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Ignorant. You take a well known trash beer and then try to claim it represents all beers.

For proof of America's beer dominance simply look at the numerous international beer fests where the US just about always takes more medals then everyone else. The last two or three World Cup of Beer annual events has seen American brewers taking 60%-75% of all the medals awarded. I doubt Canada even registers a blip.

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Having never drunk anything from those 'Mercan microbreweries, I can't comment on their quality, but, if true, why do your typical American nonetheless gulp down trash beer in sufficient quantities to make them major brands? Are they stupid? Masochistic?

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quote: But if you look at international beer comeptitions, you'll find the USA takes nearly all the top places. That's because our microbrews are the best in the world.

I've never heard of these "microbrews" (whatever they are) apart from on Apolyton..

Are they a darker colour in appearance? Just wondering as these may be similar to our bitters. Some of ours are mass produced (John Smith's, Worthington's, Boddington's), some semi-mass produced (Abbot Ale), and some really small breweries (tend to be called "guest ales" in pubs) which are usually pretty good (hundreds of them).

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I believe we've discussed this in other threads. The basics have to do with the antiqueted American laws governing the distribution of Alcoholic beverages. These laws were written in the early 1930's when prohibition was repealed and the Federal government got out of regulating liquor business (other then setting the legal drinking age). Each state was then allowed to set up their own laws concerning the sale and distribution of alcohol and not surprisingly a great many states choose to set up systems where large local distributers were given virtual distribution monopolies. These monopolies are not to keen on distributing competeting brands.

This leads most to microbreweries to have a very limited distribution area near their home breweries instead of the nation wide coverage which is controlled multinational corporations with ties to the distribution monopolies. Several states which produce large amounts of beer and wine (California and Washington come to mind) and states like New York which consume large amounts of liquor have sued several times to break these monopolies arguing that they are unfairly constricting interstate commerce. So far the results have been inconclusive and the distribution monopolies continue to give huge donations to state and federal politicians who promise to leave the monopolies unregulated. I'll let you decid if all that money is coloring the actions of the politicians.

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quote: "microbrews" (whatever they are)

Um, you know, small breweries which don't have mass production. And if you hadn't heard of them before you need to come back to the US and look harder.

Just had 2 very nice microbrewed beers this weekend while I was in Gatlinburg, TN.

	02-08-2004 18:44									#15
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quote: Originally posted by Park Avenue I've never heard of these "microbrews" (whatever they are) apart from on Apolyton.. Are they a darker colour in appearance? Just wondering as these may be similar to our bitters. Some of ours are mass produced (John Smith's, Worthington's, Boddington's), some semi-mass produced (Abbot Ale), and some really small breweries (tend to be called "guest ales" in pubs) which are usually pretty good (hundreds of them).

The term micro brewery simply covers all breweries which have a small total yearly output. Each of these breweries often has a whole line of beers coving the whole spectrium of styles and types. Pale Ale, Bitters, Dark Stouts, Wheat Beers, Oatmeal Beers, French style Saisons, Belgian White Beers, Abby style Ales, India PAle Ales, and many more are produced.

There are literally tens of thousands of these small breweries spreed out all over the country (though places like California, Oregon, Illinois, and New York have more then their fair share) and they all produce different beers. The odds are good that you will find a beer you like in just about any style you look for.

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Ah right. So we need to be careful we are comparing like-with-like then...

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Yes, that always helps when trying to compare two things.

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This is the best beer I've ever had
http://www.badgerbrewery.com/beers/glory.asp



Had one pint of it at a Wetherspoon's beer festival a year ago and never forgotten its name. Can't imagine finding a better one that easily.

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Wasn't the 'States sposta be the haven of capitalist freedom? From Oerdin's description, the frikken Swedish state alcohol monopoly does a better job of letting brands compete on equal ground.

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My favorite microbrewery is New Glarus in Wisconsin- great stuff. I have still not taken the Brooklyn Brewery tour...

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quote: Originally posted by Oerdin Yes, that always helps when trying to compare two things.

Yes but we are comparing American mass produced lagers and Canadian mass produced lagers and other countries' mass produced stuff, etc.

Americans can't start saying "hey but our microbrews are better therefore our beer is better" because you're not comparing like-with-like.

And I very much doubt people here have trawled through several different continents sampling lots of small breweries fayre in order to see whose is best.

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quote: we are comparing American mass produced lagers and Canadian mass produced lagers

No we aren't! The Canadians would be the first ones to tell you that Molsen is crap beer.

	02-08-2004 18:59									#23
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I like to drink beers from all over the world but I'm very fortunate to have several of the world's highest ranked breweries right in my own backyard.

AleSmith Barrel Aged Speedway Stout is certainly my favorite. Though Stone Brewing Company's Arrogant Bastard Ale is a close second. I also like Stone's Ruination IPA and their Imperial Russian Stout.

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quote: Originally posted by Last Conformist Wasn't the 'States sposta be the haven of capitalist freedom? From Oerdin's description, the frikken Swedish state alcohol monopoly does a better job of letting brands compete on equal ground.

You have to remember that in the 1930's the people who wrote these laws were the same one's who tried to outlaw alcohol. They tried to make it as hard as possible to get a hold of beer because in their fundimentalist Christian point of view alcohol was the Devil's juice.

The laws have been loosed a bit in recent decades to try to interject a bit of competetion but the monopolies still have effective control of distribution in many states. Some states are very progressive, a few are very regressive, but most are in the middle. Heck, did you know that in certain counties in some southern states it is still illegal to make or sell alcohol? It used to be illegal to transport alcohol in those places as well but some lush sued and won his right to buy liquor in other counties and then bring it home. A few southern states also make it illegal to buy alcohol from any where but state owned liquor stores which sell bottles at sky high prices. Luckily, I live in California were the monopolies never existed and where the beer flows freely.

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Who does this ranking of breweries?

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quote: Originally posted by Park Avenue Yes but we are comparing American mass produced lagers and Canadian mass produced lagers and other countries' mass produced stuff, etc.

The title says "More proof of tasteless American beers". I don't see a single thing in that title which lists mass produced beers. Instead the guy tried to take one of the worst beers for sale on the market and claim it represents all American beers.

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quote: Originally posted by Park Avenue Who does this ranking of breweries?

There are a dozen or so international beer festivals in the world were most of the breweries go for their showdowns. The Judges, like the beers, come from all over the world but are mostly made up of beer brewers, industry journalists, and what not. Like in wine tasting all taste tests are blind and each judge writes their remarks never knowing which beer is which or where it came from.

The most international and well known of the beerfests is the World Cup of Beer who's location changes every year and which literally thousands and thousands of breweries from all over the world enter.

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quote: Originally posted by Last Conformist Having never drunk anything from those 'Mercan microbreweries, I can't comment on their quality, but, if true, why do your typical American nonetheless gulp down trash beer in sufficient quantities to make them major brands? Are they stupid? Masochistic?

No, when sufficiently cold, those watery beers are actually incredibly refreshing and much easier to chug. I far and away prefer beer with flavor, but when you're hot and sweaty and thirsty, a cheap, ice-cold, American pilsner really hits the spot.

	02-08-2004 20:10									#29
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Lager should be 5% ABV (alcohol by volume), bitter 4.5%.

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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui quote: we are comparing American mass produced lagers and Canadian mass produced lagers No we aren't! The Canadians would be the first ones to tell you that Molsen is crap beer.

**** you.

Molson Export Ale is a very decent beer. It can't compete with the better microbrews or some of the Euro mass-market beers, but it most definitely destroys any mass-market American beer.