02-08-2004 20:05									#1
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Peace, love and happiness. Many pleasant aromas. Not a care in the world…no wait there should not be any cares in the world once everyone gets to our state of Nirvana. And so we should strive to help others achieve this. But we’ll strive with the power of flowers. We will convince all nations to combine their efforts toward peace. Feed the hungry, and whenever you hear music, dance.

So that is our challenge. Convince others to make peace and keep peace. And we shall strive to do so without war.

How we’ll win this is up to the team;

Strategic Victory: Achieve a conquest win by not building nor supporting any offensive units. Thus, we’ll only conquer via the most powerful units, settlers (& engineers), camels (& trucks), diplomats (& spies), galleons, transports and occasionally explorers. Of course, help from volunteers (NONE units) will be accepted, and perhaps even sought out. If by some mistake a unit is temporarily persuaded to join us (bribed, but supported), said unit must disband by the end of the turn (so one can bribe a barb horse and slay the leader, but if the unit is supported, it must then be disbanded after the dirty deed.)

Similarly, we’ll maintain a spotless reputation throughout our entire adventure, and we’ll strive to a Republic/Democratic government with all haste (side trips for Philosophy and Trade are perfectly acceptable). Further we avow to not examine warlike behavior unless there is no other choice. In fact not only will we never build Sun Tsu’s War Academy, if we should come across it, we will destroy this menace to peace.

Tactical Victory: Sometimes people become so fanatical upon hearing great speeches that they will go forth inspired to do that which must be done. If any of the team cowers from the onus of the strategic victory, he may instead opt for a mere tactical victory by building a barracks in the city with Shakespeare’s Theatre; military units (of any type) may be built or supported by that city…and only that city.

Marginal Victory: Sometimes the weak, fearful and lazy cannot muster sufficient resources to fend off great evil. In those cases, should the team desire to merely eke out a marginal victory, they may do so by first building (or acquiring) J S Bach’s Cathedral, and only then constructing barracks in cities no larger (and never larger as long as they support any military unit) than size two. These slums can then build and support military units of any type.

So with a free for all format, are there stalwart folk who can peacefully bring about unity with peace, love, and flower power? Say twenty turns each for the early years, then drop down to ten (or eight) and five if the turns get too long. Since we’ll let everyone have a chance, we’ll begin as the gentle purple Indians (with no techs) and see if they are willing to embrace our soft color.

Giga, MGE, standard Poly rules (although aside for no re-homing of vans, I can’t think of any).

Bloodlust (and I forgot if restarts are on or not.)

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	02-08-2004 23:43									#2
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Being peaceloving people, you cannot allow a bribed Barb horse to "slay" its leader - it must "capture" him, after which he can be "ransomed" back. And in penance for such an "aggressive" action, the unit must "disband" to seek a solitary life of prayer and service.

All of which is fine, but how do you "convert" the capital city? Or am I misreading your intentions regarding NONE "volunteers"?

(might be nice to have "- a Free For All Succession Game" in the thread title to attract interest...)

	03-08-2004 10:04									#3
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Cool (and difficult) looking game.

So, no martial law in Despo - and no side trip to Monarchy? Ouch.

With no ships allowed until Galleons, I hope this isn't an island start.

Number me amongst the spectators, for now.

Peace and love, dude.

	03-08-2004 13:00									#4
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I can be tempted with a few turns. Will this be FFA or a normal succession game? How's about giving us 20 turns, a short log (written in a florid style ) and a screenie Old n Slow? I'll take on the next 20 some time, depending upon when you get the .sav up here.

When I read the title, I thought that this was going to be a game with no tile improvements (except maybe roads, so that the people from the cities can see the wondrous countryside) and with an emphasis on settlers converting unused squares to forest, so that the creatures of the wild would have somewhere to frolic. Maybe that's a game for the future though.

	05-08-2004 01:36									#5
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Ah but the first twenty turns may be the most challenging -- first question will be hut popping. Do we want to try for a few None units off the bat? Or skip the huts altogether?

I figure the tech path to be a rush to Republic vis a vis Monarchy; and the use of dips for extensive searching.

If no one picks this up by the W/E, I'll start.

	05-08-2004 08:13									#6
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You are frikken' nuts.

	05-08-2004 18:35									#7
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Count me in. I think NONE units are so important in this game that the chance of off techs must be taken. Even if a representantive government is delayed until , say, 750BC, the leg up towards other goals (Trade) shuld be helpful in the long run. NONE units will also possibly give us an early (and probably only) chance to gain tribute should any of our foes be on our continent.

The question is how long to roam before founding! If there is a coal mountain, mining it at the start might be an optimal plan.

	13-08-2004 03:48									#8
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Peace and love
... for a change
Count me in

	13-08-2004 07:35									#9
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This looks petty crazy.

being a civ2 forum n00b, what does Giga MGE means?

Bloodlust really makes this annoying, and no city defenders looks scary. Not even monarchy for expansion/cheap settlers.....

But if people can win via OCC, I'm sure this isn't impossible, but I don't even play diety......

	13-08-2004 09:49									#10
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Giga = Gigamap (larger then the normal largest size map)

MGE = Multiplayer Gold Edition (the version after 2.42)

	13-08-2004 14:34									#11
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Gigamaps are maps that are a lot bigger than the maplimit set in Civ 2. Basically, they are a result of the game being hacked/modded (whichever term you prefer) so that you can use bigger maps. These maps can be played on any version of Civ 2 MGE without any problems (other than the usual slow-down that you get with all games with lots of cities) as the city and unit limits cannot be changed, as far as we know, but you can't create gigamaps unless you have the mod in your version of Civ 2. As long as you've got MGE you're welcome to play this game though.

	13-08-2004 20:08									#12
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I went ahead and played twenty turns -- will post tonight or soon (with pic.) All is quiet and gentle so far.

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I played a game once where I didn't settle until 2000BC. I had 20 NONEs by then. Of course, those archers and horsemen aren't worth much after knights and gunpowder…

May you be blessed with a spawn point near an opponent's cities.

	16-08-2004 18:20									#14
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I hope to find the time - to join in this in(s)anity - sounds as if it might be "interesting" - I assume there is no problem with combining barb harvesting with Ike's Shop???

Stu

	16-08-2004 20:41									#15
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I'm back. I'm in.

	16-08-2004 22:20									#16
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I'll play. OnS, we need a save.

	17-08-2004 02:19									#17
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Coming soon.

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The story of Purple Rain, a peaceful sort who wished a lot. As he wandered, he acquired a horse in 3800 BC at (133,63); 50g in a hut (at 126, 52) in 3750 BC, 50 g in another hut (at 137, 71) in 3650 BC, and an archer (at 138, 54) in 3250 BC.

Tired of wandering, he settled two lands -- Delhi in 3150 BC and Bombay in 3100 BC.

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	17-08-2004 06:38									#19
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Let's see if we can save a pic.

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	17-08-2004 06:42									#20
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Yup -- lots of opportunity... (Kind of knew that given the "no free techs") only question is whether or not we get neighbors.

	19-08-2004 11:29									#21
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Okay, I’ll take a shot at this. Whatta we got?

Indians. Two good size-1 cities, both building settlers. No techs. Lush lands and an isthmus to the south, and the appearance of lots of open land to the north. No other civs encountered yet. One NON archer and one NON horse exploring.
Big world: about 100x50. Barbs have captured Athens.
Enter.
-2950 Our leadership thus far has been brilliant, just brilliant, I tell you. Let’s decorate the throne room.
With our capital on the coast and lots of unexplored ocean, I judiciously send archers toward Delhi just in case of barb landing.
-2900 alphabet (code of laws next)
brilliant leadership, I tell you, and lovely plants behind the throne
-2850 That new curtain behind the throne lends just the right touch, don’t you think?
-2800 to -2650 clip clop, clip clop, clip clop
-2600 Delhi size 2
Village at 140,48 yields a barb horse -- thank goodness I chose not to open it last turn with my last movement point -- it appears on hills, but I manage to defeat it and gain vet status
-2550 Bombay size 2, and I carelessly let it go into disorder
-2500 Build settlers in Delhi -- send them south to occupy the isthmus chokepoint
code of laws -- from bronzeworking, mapmaking, masonry, pottery, warrior code, and writing, I choose bronzeworking, for early trade and Colossus -- but shouldn’t ceremonial burial be an option here? I thought it was the fourth tech that wouldn’t have a monarchy path option, not the third
Order restored in Bombay -- rushbuy settlers
-2200 Suddenly I realize that, in a world this big, we’re likely to have this landmass to ourselves, so I don’t need to stake out the chokepoint -- but I do want to build a canal city there, anyway. The perfect specials placement would be at 134,66, but unfortunately, that’s not a canal spot. I choose the forest with access to the fish and build Canal Zone.
-2100 Village at 146,50 yields archers
-2000 Egyptian capital to Memphis
Having used the settlers from Bombay to explore to the northwest, I haven’t found any outstanding city site, but I don’t want to walk back home, so I build Coal Country out at the tip of the land. Not a very good spot, kind of slow growth, but it seems important to get a city growing.
A village at 152,50 could give us nomads or horsemen or cash, but I’m loathe at this point to risk an off-path tech, so I walk around it.

And that’s it. Seems to me like a slow start, but I rarely play big-world games, and I know that explains part of it. RCC would be appreciated.

I'd post a screenshot, but I don't know how. Anybody want to tell me?

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	19-08-2004 11:40									#22
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And the save.

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	20-08-2004 04:53									#23
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debeest,

It has been a while, but, since no one else has chirpped-in, I'll offer what I think will get you a screenshot.

First, expand the game window to eliminate the right-hand data pods (unless these are important). Tap the "print Scrn" key; usually the left most key above the up/down arrow keys. Open Start --> Accessories --> "Paint", and tap Ctrl + V. (This should give you a working picture as a .bmp) Do a "Save As" and change the extention to .jpg which can now be attached.

Hopefully, that will work.

Monk

	20-08-2004 05:19									#24
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debeest,

Since the rules seem to indicate that "all haste" must drive the rush to Republic (with side trips only for Philosopy and Trade), then writing would have been the optimum choice. If I read the rules set correctly, Monarchy is to be avoided. Probably not peaceful enough.

As to the MIA status of Ceremonial Burial for the third tech, see Oedo's thread, Next Available Tech . The "2" group is skipped for the third choice, would be the short answer.

Monk

	20-08-2004 21:33									#25
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quote: Originally posted by Bloody Monk Since the rules seem to indicate that "all haste" must drive the rush to Republic (with side trips only for Philosopy and Trade), then writing would have been the optimum choice. If I read the rules set correctly, Monarchy is to be avoided. Probably not peaceful enough.

Aackk! You're right, of course. Shame on me for not reading the rules carefully enough. I guess I'll have to go smoke some dope, burn some incense, put on some psychedelic rock, and have free sex. Oh, boy! Punishment!

	20-08-2004 21:35									#26
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quote: Originally posted by Bloody Monk First, expand the game window to eliminate the right-hand data pods (unless these are important). Tap the "print Scrn" key; usually the left most key above the up/down arrow keys. Open Start --> Accessories --> "Paint", and tap Ctrl + V. (This should give you a working picture as a .bmp) Do a "Save As" and change the extention to .jpg which can now be attached.

Thanks, Monk!

	20-08-2004 22:02									#27
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... and I hope that Archer is a NONE ...

Stu

	20-08-2004 23:46									#28
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Belated look at the save shows the Archer to be supported by Bombay.



A ruling seems to be in order.

Clearly the rules have been disregarded; but, it is the opening moves, and the map has already been revealed--at least to those who have looked it up. It could be disbanded belatedly, allowing play to continue.

If that is the decision, then along with a trip to the Sticky Mouse Institute, debeest should be required to post the rules after everyone's play for the next thousand years.

Monk

	21-08-2004 00:32									#29
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Need to disband the Archer ASAP. (Same applies for any other supported unit capable for combat.)

I'm not too concerned about achieving Republic/ Democracy at the cost of something stupid; however, I see no reason to handicap ourselves beyond a reasonable measure.

We'll want CB/Myst for Phil someday, but the kneejerk rush to Monarchy won't give us much of a gain over Despo compared to Republic over Despo -- ergo the "requirement".

	21-08-2004 02:38									#30
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Eeps.

Is there a smiley for hiding in my bedroom under my covers?