30-08-2004 21:14									#31
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I just took a look on the game file (2132) and realised that we could make PKs and Uni our AI allies and Spartans our human allies

PKs will be quite easy as we're goin to have 2 of Lals beloved SE -> Planned/Demo

Uni will be a tough nut, but for tech stolen either from Morgan or Angels they'd be our pets (I think in 20yrs Angels or Morgan will have the techlead

We should pact Spartans as soon as they infiltrate us or get our territory maps

	30-08-2004 21:18									#32
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There are rumors that the hiverian lands to N from us are landbridged to every human opponents' land too!

And PKs and Uni are on the same continent

That means, we can't get both PKs and Uni as allies as they'll not like each other

Therefore I propose to ally PKs and probe Uni

We can't ally Hive, but we can give in for their demands and try to convince them to attack any of our opponents, most likely - Angels!

Maybe not at the 1st time we met Hive, but after we've probed Uni a bit - then we can use those techs to make a gift large enough to make Yang our puppet..

	02-09-2004 10:52									#33
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Looks good, Mr. Advisor.

Just remember, its next to impossible to get any human team to invade someone else for you. And, if they do, there's almost always a catch. Our future diplomatic plans will most certainly, in the end, be decided by the circumstances of the rest of the Planet.

And, a general reminder - keep an eye the Angel contact thread. We need to decide what to do in regard to our new human neighbors. This may even warrant a special edition of VotP.

	02-09-2004 15:06									#34
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quote: We can't ally Hive, but we can give in for their demands and try to convince them to attack any of our opponents, most likely - Angels!

My point was to bribe HIVE to attack ANGELS!

Do you think it won't work?

	02-09-2004 22:19									#35
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It might work, but without knowing if they are connected by land, it seems an expensive way to find out. Also, bribed factions can be appeased. Thirdly, that's a lot of cash most likely. Finally, we aren't really ready to take advantage of a Hive offensive.

Interesting idea, but even more interesting is CT's idea of having a go at the Hive itself with some worms. If we could subjugate them...

	02-09-2004 22:20									#36
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EDIT: Post redundant.
Why is nowhere in this thread mentioned that message has been sent to Angels? Every message sent should posted with it's content, list of persons sent to in a thread. I found that we have made contact with Angels, but nowhere the fact if we sent anything is said - for example CT asks about message, but nowhere it is said if it was sent after it was approved or to whom. I took me half an hour, PMs and opening the presend to find out this. We should always post notifications about messages sent/received in a thread related to diplomatic contact with that faction. For example:
Sent

quote: *text of message sent

to X,Y and Z in faction S.
In a thread dedicated to faction diplomacy with faction S.
Just my opinion.

	02-09-2004 22:23									#37
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And one of the Angel turnplayers is Enigma Nova, which is well known for his cheating via deleting reload key at registry and agressivity!
He may even disregard his own comrades' opinion and attack us - his psychological profile shows it well!

	02-09-2004 22:32									#38
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I think the message still was sent as CT received it at 8:18 and sent the turn to Angels at 9:00

	02-09-2004 22:51									#39
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Read my post above. We should carefully make track of diplomatic contact. . Also, binTravkin, EN has been kicked out of ACDG for cheating some time ago, so no dangers described. But be warned, that most of Angels were members of Pirate faction in last ACDG which has been betrayed, attacked and eliminated by its former pactbrothers, CyCon. So we still need to be careful with them.

	03-09-2004 07:57									#40
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Diplomatic Correspondance Thread

As you requested, Illuminatus. That'll be the thread for copying down all our back and forth messages.

	03-09-2004 15:10									#41
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Nice idea Octavian. Also stickied as per your request. BTW how are we going with ambassador business? Has anyone voluntereed?

	04-09-2004 01:33									#42
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I need something to do.....

	04-09-2004 09:15									#43
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We'll probably open the floor to nominations and applications for the position of Ambassador to the Angels. By Tuesday (seeing as it is Labor Day in the US), we'd just run an election.

	07-09-2004 13:54									#44
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quote: Originally posted by Octavian X We'll probably open the floor to nominations and applications for the position of Ambassador to the Angels. By Tuesday (seeing as it is Labor Day in the US), we'd just run an election.

In absence of activity in High Council I declare the contest open. Any applications?

	07-09-2004 14:03									#45
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I think the only appliccation has been made by Ouro_827, so he should be "elected"!
Just let him know that he has an official seat now!

	07-09-2004 15:56									#46
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If Ouro is regulary active I would tend to agree. If he confirms his post...

	07-09-2004 23:31									#47
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agreed.

	07-09-2004 23:48									#48
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Well, fairly regular..... weekends are off and on, but weeks I check five or six times a day.....

	07-09-2004 23:54									#49
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So what happens now? I know that my appointment will happen in the next com...

	08-09-2004 00:18									#50
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Hmmm, Octavian isn't here. But you can consider yourself first ambassador of Gaian Union.
Received contact from Angels:

quote: Lord Administrator, our thanks for your response. First I like to put right a minor misunderstanding. My title of 'Infotrader' means that I am the choosen person to have diplomatic contacts with other nations, it has nothing to do with the fact that I currently forward our public administrative results to the next faction. So for the time being any message that the Lordship of Diplomacy wishes to bring to our attention may be adressed to me. The Data Angels are willing to put Industrial Automation on the negotiation table for, naturally, an honest price. We of the Angels do feel however that this technology is quite a milestone for the progress of any faction, and hopes your Lordship of Progress is aware of this. In case the Gaian Union has already an offer ready for the offered technology, we are listening. And please do tell Lady Deirdre that her fears are unnecessary, not a single dominant native lifeform has been reported extinct within our zone of control. Though we do have second hand information about native killings in progress near one of our borders by others. Regards, Infotrader GeoModder

It seems that Angels are interested in trade too, but waiting for our first step. And they didn't miss to point out how important tech is. I see several options - offer them cash (I would rather see sth else) - offer them tech we will get after our current research is redirected after receiving IA. My proposal - promise them tech to which we will research after IA in exchange for them trading IA now. We should make point that we will research IA soon ourselves and that if they are willing to gift it to us we will research tech instead and then gift it to them. We should probably offer sth as token. Perhaps map of explored parts of their continent ! - I could take screenshot and then alter it to show only explored Angel lands and then send it to them via email - it would also gain their trust. And also we should offer some insignificant sum of cash if they wish, like 5 or 10 credits. They probably won't agree - but they should accept if we offer them data on their continent+5-10 credits ine xchange them gifting IA to us so we can redirect research. Hopefully they will realise that they can gain as we will.

	08-09-2004 02:46									#51
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Offering them our next tech (likely Biogen or Psych) plus some information about their continent seems an acceptable price. However, they might want a say about what the next tech is. Any demand besides Biogen and Psych I say is unacceptable at this point, since we really need to get both.

	08-09-2004 13:54									#52
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quote: So what happens now? I know that my appointment will happen in the next com...

As you see Ouro_827, people are quite busy here - we are only a handful of Lords to govern our glorious nation, so we're working hard..

But don't worry - the appointment should come soon!



An official message:
-----------------------------

Dear Lord of Diplomacy, Octavian X or Illuminatus as holder of Octavian X's position while he's absent, please appoint our comrade Ouro_827 to position of Ambassador to Data Angels!


Advisor binTravkin
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	08-09-2004 14:40									#53
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In recognition of continuing service of Ouro, he is hereby named official ambassador of Gaian Union to Data Angels. He will receive ambassadorial seal as a sign of his diplomatic authority.

	09-09-2004 00:01									#54
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Ahh... formality.... So, what are the official duties, besides handling communication and deals, etc? Anything? I presume this will happen after the next turn.

	09-09-2004 13:26									#55
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You will be sent the diplomatical offer to Angels consensed in the "Commlink with DA thread" or here at "Lordship of Diplomacy"

This offer will be more like order list what to offer
You must make the offer "appealing" or "formal" or "diplomatical" or whatever you call it and propose here (if AOK) and then PM to infotrader GeoModder

There will be times then the message transferred to you will be ready to forwarding or will be forwarded by someone else in case of your absence..

Also if you receive urgent message from DA, you should be able to respond according to opinion of Gaian Lordship of Diplomacy (there are some general diplomatical rules at "contact with DA" thread and in this one, you should read them) and in short time, of course.
In those cases you should also post the message at "diplomatic correspondance thread" and ask for opinion in "contact ws DA" thread - in case someone is active and can aid you in quickly making decisions..

All such activities should be reported here in form of "official message" or "official report" - see my post above for style (or you can make your own style too!)

Well, at the end I must say you'll not be so owerworked as some Lords are, so just be here and act when you have a free time!

AND: check the other threads too and give your vote in decison making -
the more people the more ideas,
the more ideas, the more good ideas!

	09-09-2004 13:36									#56
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About current offer - Angels will ask more than we are willing to offer, so we must expect that deal we agreed on is 'middle sollution' - compromise between our and theirs solutions. They will request ECs, on which we will disagree (needed for rushing) so perhaps we do not offer the map information initially - but just tech swap with them - they won't accept this but send a counteroffer- so we would then suggest giving them information on their continent, as well guarantee on not popping any pods - thaey would hopefully accept this as a sort of compromise and think they've driven a better bargain. Any thoughts on this?

	09-09-2004 20:29									#57
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Agree with those things to offer, and how to go about it, but I don't think it's enough for them to want to accept it. How about:

Tech for future Tech ---> no

Tech for future Tech + info on their continent + no pod-popping ------> no

Tech for futureTech + above + our SL and rover units == maybe.

By which time we will have researched IA and won't need to ask them any more questions ....other than 'Are you ready to surrender yet?'

	09-09-2004 20:45									#58
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Given that we're only a few turns away from IA, its value is significantly lower, and the Angels would be pig-headed to withhold it in trade. Of course, they may not believe us when we say we're currently researching it, but if they don't, they'll find out we were truthful in a few turns.

Think of it this way: trading techs helps both parties involved, though perhaps unevenly. It's definitely worthwhile to get an advantage over 5 other factions at the cost of slightly losing out to another faction, as long as that other faction isn't already the strongest.

	09-09-2004 20:54									#59
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I think Ouro should get to work. BTW trading units to Angels is nice idea binTravkin

	09-09-2004 21:05									#60
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