09-09-2004 21:06									#61
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So the offer could sound like:

We offer to exchange IA for complete transfer of control of all our troops on your continent to you!

Added:

quote: BTW trading units to Angels is nice idea binTravkin

Yeah, It'd eliminate the need to recall our ferry to transport them out of DA continent

	09-09-2004 21:28									#62
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I would get to work, except for that I'm not sure that you guys have agreed on a message for me to send yet...... I presumed I would officially begin as soon as we got the next year.... I would forward the next communication, after the next turn, and an explanation to Geomodder by PM.

Last edited by Ouro_827 on 09-09-2004 at 21:37

	09-09-2004 23:36									#63
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It is definately hard to come to conclusions as a group. You could restate what seems to be consensus, if you think we are at that point. Otherwise, demand that we conclude by some time. By re-stating the group opinion you give people a chance to clarify or extend the position. If we approve the opinion then you can feel free to move on it. So where are we?

	10-09-2004 01:17									#64
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OK, fine then. I'll start the draft for what I will go to my counterpart, Geomodder. It goes to him, right? Anyways, it seems that you guys aren't willing to pay ec, merely offer units, withdrawl terms, and no tech. OK, I'll see what I can do.

	10-09-2004 11:15									#65
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I thought offering (near-future) tech was an option.

	10-09-2004 14:43									#66
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I agree with CT - we should try and go for that first. But smacksim option is interesting - however gifting unity rover to Angels worries me because not only we would loose a rover but Angels would get it - perhaps stall with extraction and preserve them for trade for another tech? BTW, we do not need to follow one message per MY formula - we can send multiple messages, even while turn is not in our hands.

	10-09-2004 14:46									#67
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So we have 2 options:

1.Giving future tech
2.Giving Spore Launcher

Ouro_827, you should make messages ready for em both in case the 1st fails

	10-09-2004 14:58									#68
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If it makes it easier, I could ask Frozzy if I can start a private forum on Eventis where yourselves and the Angels could post, so you can discuss diplomacy there too. That could make it quicker and more efficient to come to deals?

This was used in the last DG with Googlie's private forums, and worked well for us

	10-09-2004 15:10									#69
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Well, probably it'd be good!

Name it "The Meeting Room of Gaians and Data Angels" or somesuch..

	10-09-2004 18:01									#70
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quote: Originally posted by Drogue If it makes it easier, I could ask Frozzy if I can start a private forum on Eventis where yourselves and the Angels could post, so you can discuss diplomacy there too. That could make it quicker and more efficient to come to deals? This was used in the last DG with Googlie's private forums, and worked well for us

Sneaky Drogue, trying to recruit more Events. There are much faster ways to create forums for that ( *cough* www.voy.com *cough*), Frozzy should work on removing PCs

	10-09-2004 19:45									#71
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PCs will not be removed Faster way? I can do it in two clicks at L'Event, and I don't have an account at Voy (also the small matter of it sucking ).

	10-09-2004 19:52									#72
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Forum has been created. If you register at Eventis (www.eventis.ssxh.net/forums) and PM myself, I'll grant you access. Access is only to registered members of the Angels or Gaians, as well as the 3 admins, myself, Frozzy and joncha.

	10-09-2004 20:07									#73
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You can create forum that fast! This will also bring new people to Eventis unless they are scared away by massive amounts of spamming on other forums.

	10-09-2004 22:39									#74
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Yep. Eventis is very efficient

	10-09-2004 23:55									#75
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and where's this forum? Anyways,

To: Infotrader Geomodder
From: Ouro

Greetings from the Gaian people!
I am Lord Ouro, who has been chosen by the Gaians as the head ambassador to the people of the Data Angels. I look forward to working with you and your people. Both my staff and myself are willing to co-operate with your security forces through screening to prevent any unfortunate harm from happening, in the interests of increasing trust. On your part, I ask that you deliver co-ordinates to our pilot of the city we will be based in, or a location where we can rendezvous with your people to be escorted to what will be our new home in the days to come. Now, on to the buisness at hand

In exchange for your technology on Industrial Applications for Automation, I have been authorized to offer in return, the permanent ownership of the spore launcher that is currently in your lands. Please reply with haste.

	10-09-2004 23:58									#76
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Change it a little, then it will be future tech.... fairly easy to do...

	11-09-2004 00:14									#77
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You should go on Eventis and finish the message Ouro.

	07-10-2004 20:27									#78
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*bump*

Seems our Lord of Diplomacy, Octavian is too busy increasing his waist by eating xenodoughnuts. Anyway, is anyone interested in position of ambassador to Spartan Federation?

Also, how about this table of diplomatic relations:

1. degree - temporary Treaty of Friendship

2. degree - Treaty of Friendship unlimited by time

3. degree - Treaty of Friendship and research treaty

4. degree - Mutual Defense pact (both factions remain in Treaty of Friendship, but if someone declares war on them they ally against the agressor)

5. degree - Pact of Brotherhood

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	09-10-2004 01:27									#79
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Illum, on Eventis you made reference to a message I was supposed to convey to the Angels.... Where did you post this message? I haven't been able to find any. This is where I presumed such messages would be posted..... or maybe we should have a pair of topped threads, as the embassys for disscussion of messages to other factions, one for Sparta, one for DA?

	09-10-2004 02:01									#80
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I was reffering to a post made in turn planning thread, about notifying Angels we are at war with Hive (except the idea of the message, contents of it are free to the ambassador ). I was also afraid that Angels learnt about vendetta with Hive, and they were trying to ask us sth about it, so I added the line about conveying the message to make it appear we intended to do so before them. Nothing to worry Ouro , you are doing a good job. Currently, I don't have the time to update the correspondence threads, but I believe I could do it next weekend. I presume that discussions should be made in diplo threads, but I made my remark in turn planning thread- perhaps you should at least skim to them. I will repeat it next time in the diplo contact thread too.

	09-10-2004 03:19									#81
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I read most threads naturally, as long as my account doesn't mess up and tell me I've read it already.... But, as a favor to me, could you usually repost in threads that stay at the top? With turn planning threads, after that turn is played, I probably will never see it again....

	09-10-2004 03:26									#82
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When I remember, I put important information like treaties/vendettas in the Annual Reports thread.

	11-10-2004 13:34									#83
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Diplomatic issues: Spartans have infiltrated Hive, and thus can buy Morgans commlink - barter with them for it?

Also, should we try and add 5 year no trade clause to our deals with Angels, like with Spartans?

If we obtain Doctrine: Loyalty from Hive - should we trade it to Spartans (that project would make Spartans pwoerful, since it would amplify their abbilities).

	11-10-2004 18:16									#84
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We should be willing to trade to the Spartans anything we get from the Hive, since they could get it themselves with a probe team or negotiations.

I've never been worried about technologies being traded on, except to my enemies, since hopefully I've already arranged all the profitable trading I can, and whatever the other factions can also arrange is fine. A 1-2 year period would be long enough to let us get in all the trades we can before allowing another bidder to get involved.

Morgan's commlink would be convenient, since then all of the factions would be in contact (assuming the Angels traded for it somehow). However, we have little to offer the Morganites right now in trade, so we should put off this acquisition.