07-08-2004 07:56									#1
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Youth In Asia 2 - Play Order

ricketyclik - India
Longshot - Korea
Beta - Russia
GhengisFarb - China
Rommel2D - Mongols
Wittlich - Arabs
Rhothaerill - Japan


The Game

This is a silent PBEM. Which means, no out of game contact or discussion at all. Everything has to be done through the F4 diplo screen. There will be no chats, or out of game messages, or map trading outside of the game. Deal with each of the other players as if they were an AI. This of course will mean fewer alliances and co-ordinated attacks - or any tech trading in advance. It should raise the uncertainty level greatly - and play a bit like very challenging SP game - and less like a demo game.

This PBEM thread will only allow "sent to ABC". No smileys or comments or the like which could be a form of communication. And no code on the trade table either. Given the bright and creative bunch we are, I can envision we would soon have a barter language similar to contract bridge. (An opening of 7 gold means I want an alliance ... ) Let's play this straight up to see how it works.

Standard pangaea map - no island starts. Restless or raging barbs is the only question. I will get someone to check the start positions. He will only be checking that no one has an island start, and that no one has a start which is a complete loss.

Normal terrain and climate and age. All normal victory conditions in effect.

No customization of the civs other than putting in your name for the leader.

The Players (from the first round)

Beta
GhengisFarb
Wittlich
Hot_Enamel
Longshot

AND NEED TWO MORE PLAYERS.

The Civilizations

Seven asian civs, hence the name. (amongst other things. ) None of the civs has an ancient age UU, which should make it interesting. And none are seafaring or agricultural. They are:

Japan
China
Korea
India
Mongols
Russians
Arabs

A die roll will determine the civ choice order. I will take the last civ.

Last edited by Beta on 17-08-2004 at 03:53

	07-08-2004 08:46									#2
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I'm interested. Just one thing- I'm very leery of third parties judging my starting postition for me. I prefer a restart option rule where players can call for a restart before the end of their first (or second) turn- but only once per game. If the island is big enough that I can't tell by the end of 3950, I won't complain about it...

	07-08-2004 08:55									#3
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Just checking in and flagging this thread by my post.

	07-08-2004 09:21									#4
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Yes, I am interested in being one of the 2 new players.

My usual playing time is 09:00-12:00 GMT, although I won't be playing any turns this weekend, as I'm outa sight.

Town I mean, outa town.

	07-08-2004 11:10									#5
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Alright, I seem to be slightly more interested in Civ than I was two days ago. I'm in for this one again. Let's get this one moving like the old one never did.

	08-08-2004 01:32									#6
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Thread looked like a needed a good bump, so....

*Bump*

	09-08-2004 08:50									#7
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Hey Beta, did you subscribe to the thread you started here?

	09-08-2004 15:42									#8
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Ooohh ..

Beta, can you drop me out.
I am not taking up any more PBEM's.

Good Luck guys

	09-08-2004 21:53									#9
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Thanks for the bump guys.

So it seems we have:

Beta
GhengisFarb
Wittlich
Longshot
Rommel2D
Rhothaerill
ricketyclik

Seven works for me.

Rommel - I understand your issue of someone else not reviewing the start - but the problem here is that you cannot tell in the first couple turns whether you have an island start or not. And having 6 civs on the continent and one on an island, in my mind, ain't good for the game.

If someone knows a way around this - without a 3rd part taking a view of the map - please let me know.

Otherwise - with Rhoth playing this game , I will ask Sir Ralph to do it.

Rommel, does that work for you?

	10-08-2004 00:50									#10
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Yawn, how many times to I have to post my interest in this thread?

I'm interested.

Still interested.

Yes, I'm still interested.

* GhengisFarb thinks that should keep Beta off his back for a couple of days.

	10-08-2004 02:47									#11
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quote: Originally posted by GhengisFarb Yawn, how many times to I have to post my interest in this thread? I'm interested. Still interested. Yes, I'm still interested. * GhengisFarb thinks that should keep Beta off his back for a couple of days.

Dream on.

	10-08-2004 02:47									#12
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I'm in.

	10-08-2004 03:13									#13
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So Beta, when are you going to flip the coin/draw the lots/pick out of a hat/etc... the order in which the players choose their civ?

	10-08-2004 03:21									#14
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Now - just need confirmation from Longshot - which I just got.

Reaching for the six-sided die.....

	10-08-2004 03:23									#15
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quote: Originally posted by Beta Reaching for the six-sided die.....

A D&D'er from way back when I'm thinking...

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Ok - I have assigned each of you a number from 1 to 6 based on your nicks ordered alphabetically. Hence:

1. GhengisFarb
2. Longshot
3. ricketyclik
4. Rhothaerill
5. Rommel2D
6. Wittlich.

Now - rolling the die.

(Drum roll please .....)

And the first to pick is:

6. Wittlich

Next is:

1. Ghengis Farb

Next is:

4. Rhothaerill

Next is:

(Ghengis again - no no no. Only one civ. Re-rolling)

5. Rommel2D

Its now between 2, Longshot and 3, ric. What will come up first.

Its a 3. The next to choose will be:

3. ricketyclik.

Sixth to choose will be:

2. Longshot.

And I will get the last civ.

Witt - you are up. Wazz your choice?

	10-08-2004 07:30									#17
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quote: Originally posted by Wittlich A D&D'er from way back when I'm thinking...

Nope - couldn't stand D&D. Board wargamer all the way.

	10-08-2004 07:35									#18
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Civ Possibilities and Order of Choice

To confirm...

Here are the seven civs:

Japan - taken by Rhothaerill
China - taken by GhengisFarb
Korea - taken by Longshot
India - taken by ricketyclik
Mongols - taken by Rommel2D
Russians - left for Beta
Arabs - taken by Wittlich

Here is the order we choose in:

1. Wittlich
2. Ghengis Farb
3. Rhothaerill
4. Rommel2D
5. ricketyclik
6. Longshot
7. Beta

Last edited by Beta on 13-08-2004 at 01:41

	10-08-2004 09:04									#19
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I can't get lucky with the California Lottery, but I can with this game.

I do believe that I'll try my hand as Shah Wittlich of the Arabian Empire! (ie, Arabs please)


Ok Ghengis, NEXT!

	10-08-2004 09:08									#20
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quote: Originally posted by Wittlich I can't get lucky with the California Lottery, but I can with this game. I do believe that I'll try my hand as Shah Wittlich of the Arabian Empire! (ie, Arabs please) Ok Ghengis, NEXT!

Ahh. That's what I was going to pick!

	10-08-2004 09:14									#21
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quote: Originally posted by Rhothaerill Ahh. That's what I was going to pick!

To borrow a phrase from Highlander: "There can only be one."

	10-08-2004 09:27									#22
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quote: Originally posted by Wittlich To borrow a phrase from Highlander: "There can only be one."

Heh, I haven't seen that in a while. Christopher Lambert at his acting finest.

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quote: Originally posted by Beta Rommel - I understand your issue of someone else not reviewing the start - but the problem here is that you cannot tell in the first couple turns whether you have an island start or not. And having 6 civs on the continent and one on an island, in my mind, ain't good for the game. If someone knows a way around this - without a 3rd part taking a view of the map - please let me know. Otherwise - with Rhoth playing this game , I will ask Sir Ralph to do it. Rommel, does that work for you?

Alexman is almost tied for the point lead in the 6s2ad game in a situation just as you fear- I'll withold judgement on how bad the situation is for now.

Like I said, I'd be willing to chance a 3950 restart option- it gives sefaring and expansionist tribes some redeeming qualities on a pangea. But as long as seafarers are eliminated from consideration, I'd be Ok with a map previewed by someone like SR or Dom...

	10-08-2004 15:46									#24
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quote: Originally posted by Wittlich To borrow a phrase from Highlander: "There can only be one."

I believe the quote is actually "There can be only one".

	10-08-2004 19:37									#25
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I think you're right Rickety....are we all still waiting on Ghengis to make his grand appearance?

	10-08-2004 22:14									#26
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I shall be Lord Ghengamesh of the Sumerians then.

	10-08-2004 22:16									#27
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quote: Originally posted by GhengisFarb I shall be Lord Ghengamesh of the Sumerians then.

Umm, they're not on the list.

	10-08-2004 22:21									#28
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Oh, yeah. Sumerians aren't from Asia, not like those nice European Russians.......

Okay, how about China? Are they considered Asian are do we consider them Aussies?

	10-08-2004 22:28									#29
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Beta tosses his Arabic and Chinese dictionaries. He subtly kicks the Russian and Korean dictionaries under the couch, hoping he will not need them.

	10-08-2004 22:33									#30
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quote: Originally posted by GhengisFarb Oh, yeah. Sumerians aren't from Asia, not like those nice European Russians....... Okay, how about China? Are they considered Asian are do we consider them Aussies?

Ahh, that's what I was going to pick.



I never said the Sumerians were from Asia, just that they weren't on Beta's list.