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Heresson
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Jun 2000
time: 06:37
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Originally posted by Jaguar
Are you Jewish? |
Nope. But my grandpa may have been. the official version is that He was Armenian. But while there are some facts that would second that, there are some that may indicate He was Jewish. Well, Germans during the war and his neighbours in 1968 had such doubts too.
Why to think He was Armenian?
- my grandma used to tell so, and He didn't deny it seems
- He used to go to the Armenian church
- He came out of a region that had an Armenian minority
- germans didn't kill Him.
-after the war, He settled in a city where most Polish Armenians settled
Why to think He wasn't Armenian, but probably Jewish?
- everyone thought He was Jewish
- He had to prove during the war He wasn't one. He may have falsified the papers or pay somebody, He was rich
- His surname is aristocratic. That'd be uncommon for an Armenian (unless his Armenian roots are thanks to his mother), but not for a Jew; Jews often took names of Polish aristocrates. Oh, I could claim I'm aristocratic, but my granpa was a tailor, which makes it less probable.
-the surname is not of a kind Polish Armenians have
- in the county He lived, there were no Armenians (but You may say that Polish Armenians were so polonised they'd call themselves Poles, not Armenians)
-the city He came from was largely Jewish, and He owned a building next to the city square. It seems so Jewish... but it may be Armenian too.
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Bereta_Eder
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if your grandmother thought he was armenian why not believe her?
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Gangerolf
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huuhh
May 2001
time: 06:37
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Originally posted by Heresson
Nope. But my grandpa may have been. the official version is that He was Armenian. But while there are some facts that would second that, there are some that may indicate He was Jewish. Well, Germans during the war and his neighbours in 1968 had such doubts too.
Why to think He was Armenian?
- my grandma used to tell so, and He didn't deny it seems
- He used to go to the Armenian church
- He came out of a region that had an Armenian minority
- germans didn't kill Him.
-after the war, He settled in a city where most Polish Armenians settled
Why to think He wasn't Armenian, but probably Jewish?
- everyone thought He was Jewish
- He had to prove during the war He wasn't one. He may have falsified the papers or pay somebody, He was rich
- His surname is aristocratic. That'd be uncommon for an Armenian (unless his Armenian roots are thanks to his mother), but not for a Jew; Jews often took names of Polish aristocrates. Oh, I could claim I'm aristocratic, but my granpa was a tailor, which makes it less probable.
-the surname is not of a kind Polish Armenians have
- in the county He lived, there were no Armenians (but You may say that Polish Armenians were so polonised they'd call themselves Poles, not Armenians)
-the city He came from was largely Jewish, and He owned a building next to the city square. It seems so Jewish... but it may be Armenian too. |
Welcome home!
[/Israeli Immigration Office]
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Bereta_Eder
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i think you probably will get some nice benefits... after all they need to have something to entice people to come to israel.... but it works better from countries where situations are tough.
i remember the partiation program of the greek community of georgia. there wer eplenty of people claiming to have greek roots so they could come here. apparently it's better than in georgia
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Bereta_Eder
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of course nothing was waiting for them here
(fooled'em hehe)
Last edited by Bereta_Eder on 09-08-2004 at 05:48
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Heresson
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of frogs
Jun 2000
time: 06:37
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Originally posted by paiktis22
if your grandmother thought he was armenian why not believe her? |
It's not what She thought, but what She used to tell.
Being Jewish in that time wasn't anything to be proud of.
And in 1968, heavy antisemitic campaign made practically all Jews leave Poland. It's a complicated matter, it was only a part of fight between factions of communist party.
Anyway, she could tell - believing or not - her children their father is Armenian to spare them troubles. Or perhaps she herself wouldn't want to be a wife of a Jew. One of the neighbours was shouting after them Jews, Jews or whatever. My mother says that it was grandma to argue with this guy.
Pretending to be Armenian was an easy way to explain some stuff: they were darker, as Jews, they did similar jobs.
Have You watched "|Europe, Europe" by A. Holland? One Jew there tries to convince germans that He's Armenian too.
I can't tell for sure, because I have no contact with family of my grandpa. They had internal fight. the family disapproved marriage of my grandpa with my grandma.
Oh, and even if I were Jewish, it wouldn't change my opinion that creation of Israel was a mistake.
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Bereta_Eder
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i cant understand why people used to put people of jewish religion through so much grief. unbelievable. not that they are the exception on suffering or anything. kind of reminds me what left wingers were going through here in the '50s onward.
anyway i see your point. it would be interesting if you could check it out some way.
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Bereta_Eder
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why be afraid to go to the parish?
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Bereta_Eder
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quote:
Originally posted by Lonestar
I find that post humorous, coming from you. |
piss off genocider
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JimmyCracksCorn
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Macedonia - Sovereign country north of Greece.
Dec 2002
time: 05:37
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Why do you want to become an Israeli citizen so bad?
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Bereta_Eder
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yeah but nobody cares, so piss off and let us hear an interesting story.
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