11-08-2004 08:51									#1
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How come I can't build knights anymore ? I was building knights, I have iron and horses, then the English declared war on me and suddenly I can't build knights anymore.

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	11-08-2004 09:21									#2
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You don't have iron.

Actually, you do and you don't. You either previously had a second source of iron which recently depleted and disappeared from your territory, or you were importing iron from another civ and the deal lapsed. You have one local source of iron located in the mountain NE of Smyrna but you are exporting it to the Aztecs in exchange for dyes. That Aztec dyes-for-iron dyes deal has run its course, and if you open diplomacy with the Aztecs and terminate the deal, you'll immediately be able to build knights in your cities. Until you do so, you're exporting your sole source of iron to the Aztecs (you can get the Aztec dyes for your Economics tech - Adam Smith's is already built so no reason to deny the tech to the Aztecs - you can pay 18 gpt to the Aztecs for their dyes - or you can use your luxury slider on F1 by bumping it up to 10% and costing you 26 gpt to get more happiness than a dye offers).

In any event, the reason you can't build knights is that you have no local source of iron but will have one if you end the deal with the Aztecs.

Catt

	11-08-2004 17:44									#3
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This brings up an interesting question: If I have 2 sources of iron, trade 1 away and then the other is depleted, which do I lose? the trade deal or my local iron. It sounds like you lose your source first before the trade deal.

	11-08-2004 18:39									#4
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I'm fairly certain that you lose your local one first. The game tries to prevent you from breaking a deal unnecessarily.

	11-08-2004 19:23									#5
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Yup, the deal will be keep, which is what Catt said.

	11-08-2004 22:10									#6
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Which is why I'm reluctant to trade any strategic resource when I have only one extra. Not that I WON'T do it, but it has to be a darn good deal.

	12-08-2004 01:13									#7
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I'd go ahead and trade anyway. At worst, you'll get your resource back in 20 turns. Any city currently building Knights, Med Inf, Factories or anything else needing iron will still be allowed to finish. You just can't start any new builds

	12-08-2004 01:25									#8
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Not an ideal solution when you're in a hot and heavy war.

	12-08-2004 01:32									#9
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i know if the AI has two sources and they trade one, if you destroy one source, they still trade the other one away. a human could always cancel that agreement if the scenario happened to him/her however.

	12-08-2004 01:33									#10
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quote: Originally posted by gunkulator I'd go ahead and trade anyway. At worst, you'll get your resource back in 20 turns. Any city currently building Knights, Med Inf, Factories or anything else needing iron will still be allowed to finish. You just can't start any new builds

Yes it can still make sense, in the proper situation. The thing is you need to have a through understanding of the game to KNOW when it is ok.

I submit that if you did not already understand the mechanics of the lost iron, you MAY not be there just yet.

	12-08-2004 09:04									#11
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I simply removed resource depletion. It's just annoying.

	13-08-2004 22:49									#12
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It's a good idea but seems to happen way to regularly - in the real world we're often told some resource field or other is about to be depleted, only to find that new and more efficent extraction methods save it.

	13-08-2004 22:57									#13
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quote: Originally posted by Kuciwalker I simply removed resource depletion. It's just annoying.

Awww c'mon. You need ANOTHER advantage against the AI?

	13-08-2004 23:55									#14
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He likes to make things easy for himself.