15-08-2004 16:32									#1
	limitation of the amount of town Support Apolyton

i've created a 360*300 game with 16 civ but I have reached the maximum amount of town.
How can I change this number ?

	15-08-2004 17:37									#2
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You can't, it's hardcoded. Sorry.

	15-08-2004 17:51									#3
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THX for the reply , do you know how much ?

	15-08-2004 18:09									#4
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IIRC, 512 total (all civs) is the maximum number of cities allowed.

	15-08-2004 20:58									#5
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Yes it is 512. You will have to raze someones towns to build another one yourself. They did raise the unit limit so that is not an issue any longer (rarely).

	16-08-2004 03:12									#6
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Why not make smaller map, to prevent reaching 512 cities?

	17-08-2004 00:00									#7
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Because some of us dream of Great Things.

	17-08-2004 20:40									#8
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And then their dreams are smashed by the 512-city limit

	19-08-2004 08:30									#9
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quote: Originally posted by Fervetu i've created a 360*300 game with 16 civ but I have reached the maximum amount of town. How can I change this number ?

What kind of monster rig do you have??!!

Or do you have one of those distributed computing things going to support your crack habit?

	19-08-2004 09:57									#10
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I think I could run one OK on my computer.

	19-08-2004 18:16									#11
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@Kuci: And what monster of a computer do you have?

Actually, with only 16 civs, it just might run tolerably on my lowly 2GHz Celeron - 16 civs on a Huge map is no problem, and I find that the civ count is a bigger factor than raw map size.

	23-08-2004 23:47									#12
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quote: Originally posted by Fervetu i've created a 360*300 game with 16 civ but I have reached the maximum amount of town. How can I change this number ?

That map size is useless because of the city limit. Try 256 x 256, with no cities allowed on Desert and Tundra. That will be about right.

	24-08-2004 00:47									#13
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Could be worse. In Civ II & SMAC the limit was a mere 255. (city id # 0 was reserved for ineranal program use)

If you don't want to reduce the map size from the 360 * 300, you need to reduce allowed city spots. One way is greatly increase the water tiles. (Check out the Shogun-Japan conqest.) It's the largest map of any conquest, but there is so little non-water tiles it's very tight with 18 civs.

Another way is to edit types of terriagn cities are allowed on. Yup, removing Desert & Tundra help, but you would also need to:

1. Remove all forest overlaping with Tundra.
2. Disallow the building of forests in Tundra.

Otherwise the humans still can.

Also, recheck any over size large map when done to ensure there's no way to decently place 512+ cities on the map.

	24-08-2004 00:49									#14
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My experence agrees with you. On my previous computer I played Fall of Rome. I could greatly see the AI turns speed up every time I knocked out a civ.

quote: Originally posted by Last Conformist @Kuci: And what monster of a computer do you have? Actually, with only 16 civs, it just might run tolerably on my lowly 2GHz Celeron - 16 civs on a Huge map is no problem, and I find that the civ count is a bigger factor than raw map size.

	24-08-2004 17:50									#15
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Out of interest, does anyone know if the number of colonies is limited as well? Is it linked, perhaps, to the number of cities?

	24-08-2004 20:52									#16
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Never heard of the colony limit being hit, but colonizes being annexed by cities as they expand tends to cut down on number of colonies.

quote: Originally posted by MrWhereItsAt Out of interest, does anyone know if the number of colonies is limited as well? Is it linked, perhaps, to the number of cities?

	28-08-2004 16:04									#17
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I'm running a 362*362 world on DEBUG with all 31 flavors. (I've been testing a mod which is being designed specifally for monster worlds, with adjusted tech rates, enhanced culture, different unit stats and a reworked tech tree -- so far so good, no AI got to an advance government until ~10 AD, and no knights appeared until ~500 AD.) It's now 960 AD, max cities, all AIs still alive and kicking, multiple alliances,wars, etc.

The movement phase is the longest, at about five minutes if I keep the shift key down (longer if there are lots of battles, which are always real time); invdividual civs may trigger pauses of up to thirty seconds before passing movement to the next civ (but usually don't), and then there's a two minute pause (build phase, I think). Typically 10 minute turns, now.

Oh yeah -- Athlon 64 3200+, 1 gig RAM, AIW9600XT Card.

Last edited by The Mad Monk on 28-08-2004 at 16:09