19-08-2004 09:45									#91
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quote: Originally posted by KrazyHorse No event where there's a source of power other than the athlete's body should be considered a sport.

Archery?

	19-08-2004 09:46									#92
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Unless there's a motorised bowstring, archery doesn't fail on that count.

	19-08-2004 09:48									#93
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Riflery?

	19-08-2004 09:51									#94
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Shooting events fail, yes.

So do downhill skiing events.

	19-08-2004 09:52									#95
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I think we should have the human-powered flying event. Shortest time over 1 km.

	19-08-2004 10:04									#96
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quote: No event where there's a source of power other than the athlete's body should be considered a sport.

What about tennis? Even if you don't swing, the ball may hit the racket and bounce over the net. The source of power being those strings.

And, of course, luge and bobsled would not be considered a sport by you then?

	19-08-2004 10:04									#97
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quote: Originally posted by KrazyHorse Shooting events fail, yes. So do downhill skiing events.

You mean you'd can all olymic events where competitors are propelled by gravity. That's surreal.

	19-08-2004 10:06									#98
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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui quote: No event where there's a source of power other than the athlete's body should be considered a sport. What about tennis? Even if you don't swing, the ball may hit the racket and bounce over the net. The source of power being those strings

The source of power is you. Unless you have a battery powered racket you get out what you put in. Conservation of energy.

And yes, bobsled and luge would have to go.

	19-08-2004 10:06									#99
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anything where strength not skill completely defines the competition

like weight lifting

Jon Miller

	19-08-2004 10:08									#100
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quote: Originally posted by KrazyHorse Shooting events fail, yes. So do downhill skiing events.

You have to maneuver yourself. Downhill skiing recquires a significant degree of athleticism.

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quote: Originally posted by Boshko You mean you'd can all olymic events where competitors are propelled by gravity. That's surreal.

I would. If there was enough protest I would add a codicil about gravity being an exempted source of energy, but I'd prefer to keep everything completely human powered.

Another rule is that any sport based on judges would be banned.

This gets rid of all the gymnastics and figure skating events, but not wrestling or boxing, IMO.

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quote: Originally posted by Kuciwalker You have to maneuver yourself. Downhill skiing recquires a significant degree of athleticism.

No doubt. But they still fail the entrance requirements for my Olympics.

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Yes, In YOUR opinion. Boxing is a majority of the time based on judges. Knockouts aren't an every fight occurance.

quote: The source of power is you. Unless you have a battery powered racket you get out what you put in. Conservation of energy.

Not if you don't swing and the ball hits your racket and bounces back.

You have a ridiculous notion of what should be a 'sport'.

	19-08-2004 10:14									#104
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His is generally good, but fails on some accounts.

I'd definately keep riflery, because the olympic sports are supposed to be martial.

	19-08-2004 10:14									#105
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quote: Same here Ben. I wonder if you put these people on a horse. I'd imagine they'd sing a different tune, even if it was just a 1 hour trail ride.

Very true.

quote: Yep, so give it to the animal who is in charge, ie, the rider.

	19-08-2004 10:16									#106
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How about this?

Any sport that Krazyhorse can do, ought not to be considered a sport.

	19-08-2004 10:16									#107
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quote: Not if you don't swing and the ball hits your racket and bounces back.

Then the energy cam from your opponent. Unless he's a robot, this is a red herring.

quote: You have a ridiculous notion of what should be a 'sport'.

Too bad. I think it's ridiculous that any event based on controlling an external source of energy should be considered a sport.

	19-08-2004 10:16									#108
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quote: Originally posted by Kuciwalker His is generally good, but fails on some accounts. I'd definately keep riflery, because the olympic sports are supposed to be martial.

That's why archery is still in there.

	19-08-2004 10:18									#109
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quote: Originally posted by Ben Kenobi How about this? Any sport that Krazyhorse can do, ought not to be considered a sport.

If it's sports that I can do better than you then this disqualifies 90% of what's in the Olympics right now.

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quote: His is generally good, but fails on some accounts.

No, it fails on a lot of accounts. Equestrian is a sport, as is bobsled, luge, gymnastics, etc. Sport is a competition based on skill or strength requiring physical excertion. All fit. Perhaps Curling would fall short of the definition, but the rest? They can stay. Equestrian, for one, requires a HELL of a lot more physical excertion than Archery.

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quote: Then the energy cam from your opponent.

Yes, a source of power other than THE athlete's body... it comes from the other athlete's body and thus is an external source of power.

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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui quote: His is generally good, but fails on some accounts. No, it fails on a lot of accounts. Equestrian is a sport,

Not even close.

quote: as is bobsled, luge

Better, but still questionable.

quote: gymnastics, etc.

	19-08-2004 10:22									#113
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quote: Not even close.

More than close. No question that it is a sport. Only those ignorant about it would claim that it isn't.

	19-08-2004 10:23									#114
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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui quote: Then the energy cam from your opponent. Yes, a source of power other than THE athlete's body... it comes from the other athlete's body and thus is an external source of power.

If you misinterpreted my posts to take them to mean that an athlete may not use his opponent's energy against him then I apologise for the confusion. If you understood my meaning that I am against sports based on nonhuman power sources and are simply trying to confuse the issue then stop being a dork.

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Further:

Sport:

quote: Physical activity that is governed by a set of rules or customs and often engaged in competitively.

http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=sport

	19-08-2004 10:24									#116
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quote: If it's sports that I can do better than you then this disqualifies 90% of what's in the Olympics right now

Doubtful, that is, very doubtful.

What is your favourite sport to do, not to watch, Krazyhorse?

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gymnastics is fairly sportish (in parts)

they are suppose to do things that take skill ans strength, and when they fail they get points deducted

it is the judging that is lacking (and the occasional artistic requirements, which are not sport)

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	19-08-2004 10:24									#118
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quote: I am against sports based on nonhuman power sources

It is absolutely silly to consider a SPORT (as you have said it to be) to have some nonhuman power sources affecting it to not be sports.

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So a cross country ski course where the finish line is at a slightly lower elevation than the start wouldn't qualify but one where they are at the same elevation would (ie there'd be a bit of gravity in the first one)? That's just stupid.

	19-08-2004 10:24									#120
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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui quote: Not even close. More than close. No question that it is a sport. Only those ignorant about it would claim that it isn't.

Only those ignorant about the nature of sports would claim that it is.

See how easy it is to make assertions?