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Of course not, it takes one to know one I guess

	25-09-2004 19:03									#122
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2004 PBEM Census - Final Results

33 people filled out the census.

They are involved in a total of 137 two-to-four person games for an average of 4.15 games per person.

They are involved in a total of 173 four-to- eight player games for an average of 5.24 games per person.

That gives an average of 9.39 games per person.

The average for completed games is 1.70.

And I believe the median was 7. There were 16 scores equal to or higher than 7, and 16 equal to or lower. If I remember my stats correctly.

The top 3 PBEM'ers in terms of # of games:

Paddy the Scot (45) (gee, what a surprise)
Beta (25)
Aqualung71 (20)

Favorite Games:

5 Votes AU601
5 Votes Mesopotamea
4 Votes All Day Round
3 Votes Grand Passage
3 Votes Frog Stomp
3 Votes 2-A-Day

A number of games garnered two votes.

Members who provided stats:

1 Rhothaerill
2 Beta
3 Aqualung71
4 Kloreep
5 Hot_Enamel
6 Rommel2D
7 Paddy the Scot
8 alexman
9 Chrisius Maximus
10 conmcb25
11 sabrewolf
12 snoopy369
13 Arnelos
14 MrWhereItsAt
15 McMeadows
16 x1889
17 ricketyclik
18 Big Free
19 Gamecube64
20 OctavianX
21 Togas
22 Makahlua
23 Krill
24 Dauphin
25 lmtoops
26 Wittlich
27 Masuro
28 Sir Ralph
29 Andydog
30 Bogor
31 Moonbars
32 akulla
33 SpencerH

Thank you one and all for completing the census.

MWIA and Arnelos - I will send the excell spreadsheet off for further analysis. Anyone else who wants it, please let me know.

Once MWIA and Arnelos have done further stats, I will write up an article for Mark to post.

	25-09-2004 19:19									#123
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I'd not mind it, i love playing with excel.

	25-09-2004 19:22									#124
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quote: Originally posted by Beta Favorite Games: 4 Votes All Day Round

4 out of 4

i presume the votes came before sumeria conquered the continent

	25-09-2004 21:01									#125
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quote: Originally posted by snoopy369 I'd not mind it, i love playing with excel.

On its way!

	25-09-2004 21:02									#126
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quote: Originally posted by sabrewolf 4 out of 4 i presume the votes came before sumeria conquered the continent

Yup - the census timing was as of August. Things have changed. I know I have more games.

	25-09-2004 23:37									#127
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So I did some playing around ...

Average games played (total): 9.4
Std. Deviation in that population: 8.15 (wow!)

If you eliminate anyone with 4 or less games (75% of the population is left), the numbers go to 11.6 and 8.2 ... and if you select for >5 games (which cuts down to 60% total, meaning 15% of you have 5 games the numbers go up again to 13.25 and 8.4 -- the constantly rising standard deviation thanks essentially entirely to Paddy, Beta, Aqua, Chrisius and myself.

Cut anyone with <10 games out and you get 16.9 average and std dev of 9.1 ... but you still have 37% of the population left. Over a third of us are ... crazy.

And finally, anyone with < 15 games out and you get 15% of the population, average of 24.8, and std dev of 9.45 ... Thanks, Paddy, for that stat: if you round off to 25, that means you're the only player above that average out of the five of us.

Graphs et al to follow

	26-09-2004 01:03									#128
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quote: Originally posted by snoopy369 Over a third of us are ... crazy.

Guess you can't argue with statistics. What did Disraeli say:

" Lies. Damn Lies. And then there's statistics."

Or something like that.

	26-09-2004 11:46									#129
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quote: Originally posted by Beta Guess you can't argue with statistics. What did Disraeli say: " Lies. Damn Lies. And the there's statistics." Or something like that.

Did Clemens plagerize Dieraeli?

	26-09-2004 19:36									#130
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quote: Originally posted by Rommel2D Did Clemens plagerize Dieraeli?

Who is Clemens?

	26-09-2004 20:52									#131
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Actually ... Clemens (as in Samuel Langhorne, aka Mark Twain ) was quoting, not plagiarizing, Disraeli. More than likely disraeli never said it, but Twain attributed it to him nonetheless.

http://www.zealllc.com/commentary/damnlies.htm

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Well that I did not know. Thank you.

I had always thought it was a direct quote from some parliamentary debate.

	27-09-2004 22:33									#133
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quote: Originally posted by Beta Who is Clemens?

And he claims Im raised by wolves

	28-09-2004 07:46									#134
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Grrrrrrrrr.....

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quote: Originally posted by snoopy369 Actually ... Clemens (as in Samuel Langhorne, aka Mark Twain ) was quoting, not plagiarizing, Disraeli. More than likely disraeli never said it, but Twain attributed it to him nonetheless.

Hmmm- I thought Cream's ablum 'Disraeli Gears' had this quote sampled from a Warner Bros cartoon featuring Foghorn Leghorn. I might have got something mixed up somewhere along the line, though...

	01-10-2004 16:15									#136
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MWIA? Arne? Any stats coming?

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quote: Originally posted by Rommel2D ....featuring Foghorn Leghorn.

" I said, keep your eye on the ball, boy. Get it boy. Eye ball. It's a joke son."

(one of my favourite characters of all time. )

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quote: Originally posted by Rommel2D Hmmm- I thought Cream's ablum 'Disraeli Gears' had this quote sampled from a Warner Bros cartoon featuring Foghorn Leghorn. I might have got something mixed up somewhere along the line, though...

From what i recall Foghorn Leghorn was a Samuel Clemens analogue in some skits

	01-10-2004 16:40									#139
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Particularly note the similarity:

Samuel Langhorne Clemens
Foghorn Leghorn Rooster

(Maybe it's stretching it too far ... )

	02-10-2004 10:05									#140
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quote: Originally posted by snoopy369 Particularly note the similarity: Samuel Langhorne Clemens Foghorn Leghorn Rooster

That's what I guessed when I saw the middle name. I had previously heard he was based on a southern senator from the era of the cartoons (50's?) who had a fast-talking, patronizing way about him. [See also Elrod the Albino from the Cerebus comics... :-]

You getting all this down boy, or am I going too fast for you?

	02-10-2004 10:11									#141
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Quite possible. Clemens was from Missouri, but moved to San Fran right around the war between the states, from what i recall. Though never a senator from what i recall, but who knows

	02-10-2004 10:15									#142
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I think the senator was a more contemporary figure, from around the 1950's, if that was the case.

Try and, I say, try and keep up with me here, son...

[edit: The 'something to think about' quote for this post:
The surest protection against temptation is cowardice.
-- Mark Twain
]

	03-10-2004 08:35									#143
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Further research reveals Senator Claghorn was a fictional character from a 40's radio show...

	03-10-2004 08:48									#144
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now that is funny

	03-10-2004 09:08									#145
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See what you miss when you go on vacation Paddy?

	03-10-2004 09:22									#146
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indeed

ahh the joys of life

	31-10-2004 09:00									#147
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Beta, any further word on the rest of the stats from MWIA and Arn?

also could you send over a copy of the spreadsheet - Thanks

SnoopCat, thanks for your analysis

	31-10-2004 16:14									#148
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I wish Raputin were back so we could do all the posting stats in the community forum as well.

Ah I miss those days

	31-10-2004 17:23									#149
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well your wish seems to be coming true

Raz is back online

and has been spotted lurking and posting around the traps