13-09-2004 00:23									#61
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Just have fun and if ya cant then dont

Gramps

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	13-09-2004 00:27									#62
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quote: Originally posted by Grandpa Troll Just have fun and if ya cant then dont Gramps

thats certainly the best quote ive ever heard from you.

	13-09-2004 00:30									#63
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I am guessing this all started when I tried asking about turn play


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Grandpa

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	13-09-2004 00:33									#64
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	13-09-2004 00:41									#65
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umhh err...
being somewhat confused by this amount of politeness..
err.. im fine over here, thanks mister.

	13-09-2004 00:43									#66
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The need to educate minors ?

You don't expect to educate me, don't you ?
I don't need a 45 man who still haven't learn to shut it up or apologyse when he speak for nothing.
It's pityful and someone pityful don't try to educate anybody, it's nonsens. How can someone unpolite could educate younger ?
Please, it's not because I'm 18, which seems to make you happy and think you are better than me or anything, that you can blast me and have disrespect for me. Remember, don't mess with me, I'm not the little one you try to "educate".

	13-09-2004 00:49									#67
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	13-09-2004 00:56									#68
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quote: Originally posted by Grandpa Troll Still sore we had to save your country during WW2? Look..I am joking and having a little fun

look, Troll. thats exactly the problem with you.
you sound serious in one sentence and joking in the next. in many others, people simply cant tell. at least thats the case for me.
i dont know what to take serious of what you say and as a result i dont take YOU serious anymore.

might sound like an insult, but is a fact that i would like to state at this opportunity.

time for me to wish peace now.
Math

	13-09-2004 01:05									#69
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112. Chlg 112 EPW vs. Grandpa Troll; Started Jul-2004 -- In progress

I just lost
EPW tore my @$$ Up and I concede

Thanks for the game EPW

You showed me many things i never thought were possible

Peace

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which turn was that, mr.troll ?

	13-09-2004 01:19									#71
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quote: Originally posted by Mathemagician which turn was that, mr.troll ?

Turn -165-

I had, for record wiped out Pink and took 4-5 green cities

BUT all the while EPW was building up..like The Battle of the Bulge..awaiting the perfect timing..(The Battle of The Bulge a major German Offesnive in the Ardenne Forest) meant to take the Allied Forces by surprise

Ok

I will start another game soon with him

He is a great player and well..I suck by learning more as i go along, taking my lumps and starting..strating I say to piece a little game together

I however enjoy the heck out of this game Math and willingly play all and do so for the fun and if a win is in the opting fine and if not then a loss but moreso gain of knowledge

Peace

Grandpa Troll

	13-09-2004 01:23									#72
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peace ... this word is used too often by the troll to be a state of mind ... just a word to excuse his pathetic little brain and insult people for saying after : << wow sorry i was joking >>

quote: Your French, correct? Still sore we had to save your country during WW2?

one more stupid sentence directly from the troll's big mouth and even i'm young, i'm not ignorant enough to treat him of fat american **** ... his precious ass which serves him as brain is too far from me : i regret it.

more than one people of my family died during WW2, and from the hand of germans. And many of my ancestors died of the hand of some others europeans. But that was another time and i'm proud today to say i love Germany. it happens something between WW2 and now we call peace.

Where were your ancestors 200 hundred years ago ?

how dare you talking to me of WW2 ??? one more exemple from the troll who have the pretension to educate minors ... sure he's still the kind of "man" who cries : "but why the world hates america ?"

little pathetic clown u r the troll.

	13-09-2004 01:28									#73
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Well it is a tradition here with some of us, like Grandpa Troll to educate people in CTP. The firm belief being the better the newbies become and the faster it happens the better games we have. I am not sure but I doubt many here play simply to beat someone? Especially a newbie.

I know for one Troll does not, in fact he himself is just learning. So I do hope some newbies listen and learn then challenge the newbies too. Make them feel welcome kick some butt and teach them to be a rake #1 player. The more the top ranks we have the better the games.

	13-09-2004 01:30									#74
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i agree blackice but that's not the point here now ... the troll opened his big mouth a bit too wide and i'm not the one who's going to say : amen

	13-09-2004 01:36									#75
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Match 116-120 Grandpa Troll versus Blackgryffin

Congrats go to Blackgryffin

I concede and give the nod to Blackgryffin

He won fair and square

5 wins to Blackgryffin + he moves up in position

5 losses to Grandpa Troll

Peace

Gramps

	13-09-2004 01:37									#76
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Cool everyone has an opinion, life is short though even if it is the longest thing we have.

So you each have a point and now dance, then what? Me I am BBQ'n watching the babes cruise by and having a beer. :0)

	13-09-2004 01:42									#77
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quote: Originally posted by blackice Cool everyone has an opinion, life is short though even if it is the longest thing we have. So you each have a point and now dance, then what? Me I am BBQ'n watching the babes cruise by and having a beer. :0)

You have more than an opinion..you have a VALUED OPINION

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	13-09-2004 01:44									#78
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Now as for that pic, man where are your fighters and who buys tanks? Egad lololol. Look less cost better defence more millage and well the attack is quite good.

Even a hand full of marines and a few planes has that offensive stopped. Birdy is about to learn the fighter power in a game ;0) Personally I can't remember the last time I made a tank? Marines, fighters, sold fighters for jets, then nukes... Try it out. Grandpa sell man sell ;0)

	13-09-2004 01:49									#79
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Fighters>Tanks?

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quote: Originally posted by blackice Now as for that pic, man where are your fighters and who buys tanks? Egad lololol. Look less cost better defence more millage and well the attack is quite good. Even a hand full of marines and a few planes has that offensive stopped. Birdy is about to learn the fighter power in a game ;0) Personally I can't remember the last time I made a tank? Marines, fighters, sold fighters for jets, then nukes... Try it out. Grandpa sell man sell ;0)

Yes I understand that works well


Blackice

One day I will be DA MAN!


Actually u r "DA MAN" me I am content on having a good time

Peace

Gramps

	13-09-2004 01:54									#81
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now the fighter/marine thing is a good idea, cost efficiency it is, isnt it ?
i just dont understand under that point of view why you should turn in a 10/10/10 unit for 1125 at half its cost for a 15/12/12 unit for 1500...

	13-09-2004 02:01									#82
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quote: Originally posted by Mathemagician now the fighter/marine thing is a good idea, cost efficiency it is, isnt it ? i just dont understand under that point of view why you should turn in a 10/10/10 unit for 1125 at half its cost for a 15/12/12 unit for 1500...

Math shame on you:

}}}}15/12/12{{{{
>>>10/10/10<<<
----=5/2/2 gain and advantage

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Gramps

	13-09-2004 02:14									#83
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Troll,
Tank 16/16/10 > Fighter 10/10/10
but Tank cost 2000, Fighter cost 1125

cost efficiency:
Tank: 8/8/5 per 1000
Fighter: ~9/9/9 per 1000

means you can build more of them for the same production cost. more troops -> effectively more firepower

i think that was what ice was talking about.
plus, fighters can fly home the turn they attack.

Interceptor:
15/12/12 for 1500
= 10/8/8 per 1000, about the same range as fighters, but you get only half the value in return, thus i was wondering.

granted, interceptors are faster i saw, but still wondering if its worth getting only half the fighter's cost to add to the interceptor's, thus reducing the number of total firepower you are able to produce.

	13-09-2004 03:00									#84
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ok educate me, since I never use air power, if you do attack with a figheter or interceptor you say they an retreat home after the attack?

I was wondering as a tank in 9 stack is an awesome assault method, do fighters have enough in the attack to justify them?

I guess thats what airbases are for..



By the way since talking airbases, how many air units can be there?

same as city?
Thanks

Gramps

	13-09-2004 03:06									#85
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same as any square, 9.
and yes, planes can retreat after an attack. but im not totally sure if they can when they attack together with, say, marines. i know that, when they capture a city together with land units, they lose their moves like the land units do.

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thanks

	13-09-2004 04:30									#87
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Exactly! :0) So why build one tank to attack or defend against two fighters, let alone a marine or two tossed in.

It's a numbers, cash, attrition thing. ;0)

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I'm just used to tanks being overwhelmingly powerful in CTP2

	13-09-2004 04:46									#89
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I just sent first turn of our new game

QUINNS
Challenge Match

Grandpa Troll vs EPW "Triple Trouble"

Ill set the thread with the settings

Peace

Gramps

	13-09-2004 05:33									#90
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Too true and they are but not so much in CTP/cost.

quote: i just dont understand under that point of view why you should turn in a 10/10/10 unit for 1125 at half its cost for a 15/12/12 unit for 1500.

Ok fair enough Fighter, someone correct me if I am wrong here: Full health fighter is 600 shields so exchange for Jet is 900. Less than a marine cost and HP=10/A=15/D=12/M=15 nice trade.Right to the front line and or clean up duties in one turn. Active air defence clean a tank in one shot and fly back for repairs and add to defence, heh Canadians it's more than just ice and a puck ya know! :0)

quote: Tank 16/16/10 > Fighter 10/10/10 but Tank cost 2000, Fighter cost 1125

Er more like Tank: HP=10/A=16/D=10/M=6(subject to terrain)/Cost=2000

Fighter: HP=10/A=10/D=10/M=10(No terrain effect)/Cost=1125
Marine: HP=10/A=12/D=8/M=3/Cost=1000(subject to terrain)

So a marine and a fighter for 125 extra. The fighter is multi-rolled, instant defence and offence across oceans, mountains etc... Very strong in spotting and toasting stray units, re-groupings with small groups. In both the fighter and jet they can take a tank out in one shot. Ya the terrain has a play but remember marines can go on mountains as can fighter/jets. Let alone the fact they can fly back for repair and defence duties. The tank is moot...

So the poor tank either in a city or on the road.
In this case a jet or a spy would have caught those 50 lol or more tanks with 75ish fighters and about what 20-30 marines from weaker cities on the road. We saw that in Iraq did we not? ;0)

Air power is better...Equate these two units to Sols and pikemen. It's the next evolution. The next one is space planes and space fighters with marines. For the not so weak at heart toss in a nuke or two and it is a potent combination. Game breaker...