13-09-2004 06:05									#91
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of which I will remember

Gramps

	13-09-2004 06:29									#92
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Match 109

QUINNS

I would request you give the win to Blackgryffin Please

It is my choice and I feel I had an unfair advantage

I will leave at that

No Cheats involved

I request and will persist that you remove and add to Blackgryffin's record..putting me with-0- wins as the way it should be

Thanks again

Grandpa "CTP'er with best intentions-@-heart"Troll

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I wish you would

Ok done now would you two like me to set up an even map and go to war? No biggy terrain is huge...

quote: I don't measure a man's success by how high he climbs but how high he bounces when he hits bottom. --- General George S. Patton

Lest we forget:

quote: 4. Accept challenges, so that you may feel the exhilaration of victory. --- General George S. Patton

	13-09-2004 07:43									#94
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quote: Originally posted by blackice I wish you would Ok done now would you two like me to set up an even map and go to war? No biggy terrain is huge... Lest we forget:

Blackice

I honestly feel this whole thing got blown all out of proportion amd for real the whole thing started when I wanted an explanation as to the turn ratio and I made a comment about Blackygryffin slowing down, not slamming him juts commenting

Ok enough said.

I decided to let loose a salvo in response since deciding it did no good and edited out all comments

Ok

I wanna play but dont feel me and him need to since many here felt i was beating up a newbie and although i did not my intentions

i mean when vets beat me I didnt ask the mods to not count the wins because I got in over my head..I took the losses

ok

Peace

Gramps

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Eat or be eaten, welcome to lfe in the food chain.
Offer open to anyone any time. ;0)

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quote: Originally posted by blackice Eat or be eaten, welcome to lfe in the food chain. Offer open to anyone any time. ;0)

Blackice

When I was competively fighting in the 80's and i would train and train hard..to what I felt was best of my abilitites

Then come fight time within a few rounds I knew and knew for sure in my heart whether my multiple kick attack would or would not have any effect..

I trained and trained but when the match was on it was put up or shut up

Ok..my point is that I feel i can have fun and compete against a few here

BUT I can also have fun and just play with lesser talent

BUT when it comes to being in over my head, I try to learn by asking and take my lumps as I have taken many

BUT when it comes down to it if I do not stand a chance I simply move on to the next game and try to prepare better

You my friend are a superb player and have taught me much

i would venture to say i am a better player for my losses than would be for not playing over my head

i still enjoy playing those beneath my level because i enjoy the game

	13-09-2004 08:05									#97
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Cuiach is kinda new and kinda good

throw out the "Im a newbie" and I suck with his gameplay

he seems to have a good grip on what to do

He must have played some great players for he will be a formidable opponent

If and If I say I should win, then I have saves to prove it was not "I" that was whooping a newbie but rather "I" trying to compete with him

"Battle of the Bruces" coming to a DVD series soon to be released

Gramps

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Granpa Troll and Blackgryffin,

I just now got a look at this thread for the last few days. Regarding Troll's request to give Blackgryffin all the wins. I would strongly suggest just cancelling all of your matches, instead of doing it your requested way. Then just start one new match under fair settings as Blackice has offered. (Two or more simultaneous matches with the same player is, in my opinion, too many.) Let me know if this is agreeable to both of you.

We all have different senses of humor. I think I understand Grandpa Troll's humor better than others . But sometimes humor to one, is an insult to another. I hope that Troll and Blackgryffin will not stay sore at each other for long. Our CTP group here is few enough in number to make us all kind of like FAMILY.

Steve (quinns)

	13-09-2004 23:11									#99
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i fully agree : cancelling the games is the best thing to do

	13-09-2004 23:46									#100
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88. Chlg 88 Dimytes vs. Mathemagician; Started Apr-2004 -- In progress.

Dimytes wins a tough match that was exciting till the very last moment, when his ALP came online on turn 215.
i disovered it on my last turn, but had spent too much troops on other candidate cities already.
had i noticed some of my units earlier, i might have discovered the lab earlier. but it was not to be.
btw, mine would have been done on turn 218.

a big CONGRATS to Dimytes !
im too knocked out and busy for a rematch now, but watch out.

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on the other hand, now i have 3 challenge games left:
2 incoming (being challenged) vs. ricketyclik and blackgryffin
1 outgoing (having challenged) vs. Hatschy

i think that leaves one slot for an outgoing match.
i therefore challenge quinns again.

	14-09-2004 06:14									#102
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quote: Originally posted by quinns Granpa Troll and Blackgryffin, I just now got a look at this thread for the last few days. Regarding Troll's request to give Blackgryffin all the wins. I would strongly suggest just cancelling all of your matches, instead of doing it your requested way. Then just start one new match under fair settings as Blackice has offered. (Two or more simultaneous matches with the same player is, in my opinion, too many.) Let me know if this is agreeable to both of you. We all have different senses of humor. I think I understand Grandpa Troll's humor better than others . But sometimes humor to one, is an insult to another. I hope that Troll and Blackgryffin will not stay sore at each other for long. Our CTP group here is few enough in number to make us all kind of like FAMILY. Steve (quinns)

Im kewl

Look please remove my one win

I dun want it

I believe for now since it is the general feeling and consensus that I was shooting ducks in a barrel, I wasnt and as for having 5 games with one person I am up for it anytime, I am just an old Multitasker at heart

Ok

Like I said I played whom wanted to from top to bottom and in between and me has a $0re @r$e to prove I took all the whoopings like a man

Ok

Peace

and for real, one last thing, yeah I said something that was taken offensive about the US having to save France during WW2, that sparked some debate..but go to OT and be an American, but be thick skinned American because non-Americans like to pick on the US for this and that

Anyway

Im sorry for whatever I did, or didnt do or will do or wont do

Heck

Im just a dumb@$$ that speaks whats on his heart and well...if I overstepped what was deemed appropriate then I simply joined the rest

I did not play Blackygryffin to pad my wins I did so to Play and play a lot

If you track when I reallly got into PBEM it was when no server files for MP were available

I took Blackices suggestion, to get involved

I did
I am sorry that by agreeing to play everyone/anyone it was misconstrued

Ok

Peace

Bruce K. Cronkite

A K A Grandpa Troll

	14-09-2004 07:00									#103
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Oh and did I mention

remove the ugly blemish on my otherwise perfect record please

I dun want that win

Gramps

	14-09-2004 10:40									#104
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quote: Originally posted by Grandpa Troll I believe for now since it is the general feeling and consensus that I was shooting ducks in a barrel, I wasnt and as for having 5 games with one person I am up for it anytime, I am just an old Multitasker at heart

i didnt mean that you're doing this for the win column, Troll. i was just kidding about that.
if this were some other rating system, maybe. but this ladder is not about how often you win, but about who you beat. of course if you had 5 games running vs. berXpert, that would be suspicious.

	14-09-2004 10:40									#105
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quote: Originally posted by Grandpa Troll Oh and did I mention remove the ugly blemish on my otherwise perfect record please I dun want that win Gramps

sorry, you screwed up that game (and won), now you gotta live with it.

	14-09-2004 15:55									#106
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i'm surprised that as usually, thoughts and words are flying everywhere without any direction

the fact is this is a gaming forum : not a political one and another fact is that there is a huge difference between being proud of his nationality and blasting about historical facts ...

quote: and for real, one last thing, yeah I said something that was taken offensive about the US having to save France during WW2, that sparked some debate..but go to OT and be an American, but be thick skinned American because non-Americans like to pick on the US for this and that

this kind of sentence is a pure delirium. If i remember, americans didn't always make nice things in their history ( like many many other countries ) and i see no one here to remember them how violents they were with amerindiens, the orange agent (napalm) which still causes today horrible malformations to new born chidren in Vietnam whithout speaking about the slavery and how they denied basic rights to a big part of their population, only because they were colored, and more recently, how "interesting" it was to see american soldiers practice tortures even sexual ones on some iraki bodies ... Who could be proud of this ?

I say similar things about France who sold some jewish people during WW2, and about french soldiers who made torture in a rational way 40 years ago in Algeria war. Who could be proud of this ?

and everyone of every country could say something similar ... that is we call history ... and history is not always as honorable as we wish ... this is a fact.

So : i still don't understand the only one man paranoia here, in a gaming forum when i read :

quote: but be thick skinned American because non-Americans like to pick on the US for this and that

I fully agree with each one has its own opinion but please, spare my eyes and my brain to read such non sense stuff here, in a non political forum !!!

we started about complains about the lack of speed in pbem turns and here we are now !

shame on me to have followed the threads of foolish words of an ignorant.

	14-09-2004 16:03									#107
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i think its enough now. isnt it ?
i, for my part, cant say i know what Troll's statements meant, so please dont put something in there that wasnt meant. its only getting more confusing and more emotional.

Piss,
err... Peace
(<-- joke)

Math/Rainer

	14-09-2004 18:21									#108
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If you want to discuss the horrors of nations, (admit it, ALL countries can be ashamed for something their countrymen did at some time or other), I ask you to please take it to another thread or offline.

Alright Math, I accept your challenge! I only ask that we use no modifications whatsoever, with the exception of "no ruins" if you wish. You can set it up if you like. Let me know what settings you like and we'll see if we can come to an agreement.

I'll update the ladder later today with the latest wins (and change requests).

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no modifications ? no growth/bombarb messages ?
okay, but that means i will have to double check each turn if my cities grew and if you bombarded me.
thus, the turn flow might be a little worse in the later stages.

i will email you with a settings proposal later on. i suggest 8 civs, seats 6 and 8 to even out starting positions. unless you have a better (non-dual duel) idea.

	14-09-2004 18:35									#110
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quote: Originally posted by quinns If you want to discuss the horrors of nations, (admit it, ALL countries can be ashamed for something their countrymen did at some time or other), I ask you to please take it to another thread or offline. Alright Math, I accept your challenge! I only ask that we use no modifications whatsoever, with the exception of "no ruins" if you wish. You can set it up if you like. Let me know what settings you like and we'll see if we can come to an agreement. I'll update the ladder later today with the latest wins (and change requests).

i fully fully admit it ... full fully.

i wish to cancel if it's possible all the games between troll and i and just cancel them. thanks.

	14-09-2004 21:05									#111
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quote: Originally posted by Mathemagician no modifications ? no growth/bombarb messages ? okay, but that means i will have to double check each turn if my cities grew and if you bombarded me. thus, the turn flow might be a little worse in the later stages. i will email you with a settings proposal later on. i suggest 8 civs, seats 6 and 8 to even out starting positions. unless you have a better (non-dual duel) idea.

Okay. The most "even" non-dual-duel settings I have seen are the standard settings with the two changes of making the WET/DRY slider all the way WET, and the HOT/COLD slider all the way HOT. Very even settings without all the idiot a/i's running around like chickens with their heads cut off.

Math, if those are the only two "mods" you are talking about and you are SURE they won't cause errors later in the game, then go ahead. No farm/mine under city though. Sorry. We're trying to move away from that bug here. I know I know, there are other bugs that are allowed, but those can't be monitored nor controlled, e.g. pathing, or granting an advance just to see if your opponent has that advance yet. Those are our little free spies!

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quote: Originally posted by Mathemagician no modifications ? no growth/bombarb messages ? okay, but that means i will have to double check each turn if my cities grew and if you bombarded me. thus, the turn flow might be a little worse in the later stages. (read 2-3 weeks, Dimytes remark )

Btw why do you need to know if a city has grown? What is really important is if a city is going to grow imo.

©2004 Dimytes

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ah, dont worry about farm under city. im not so attached to it after all.

as for the slider settings. thats ok. we could use hatschy's kill AI mod too to get rid of AIs. this would then also allow us to play any seats without AIs. your decision.

my script.slc for more messages...
well, i cant swear that it doesnt cause problems, just that it shouldn't.
occasionally the save file doesnt load, but
a) i had that without the mod too i think
b) it can be circumvented by re-saving the file from the email or rebooting the PC if it should happen. the only occasion where that didnt help was when the other one (blackgryffin) had a Mac. but he figured a solution out somehow too. dont ask me which one.

so, your slider settings if you like, my script.slc, possibly hatschys kill AI mod and any number of turn-0-death AIs ?

	14-09-2004 21:46									#114
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quote: Originally posted by Dimytes Btw why do you need to know if a city has grown? What is really important is if a city is going to grow imo. ©2004 Dimytes

of course thats important too. just havent found an easy way to get it into a script yet.
but to know that the city DID grow is useful for placing the new worker and, in case you are a PW fetishist, building that new worker a nice little improvement to work on.

	14-09-2004 22:59									#115
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Okay Math. Your slic is fine. Kill the a/i is fine too. Standard settings with the sliders mentioned above for fairness. And no bug use. Anything else? If not, go ahead and set it up. Thanks!

	14-09-2004 23:01									#116
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how about our seats ? 3 and 4 with 4 civs ? and please lets party on a donut.

	15-09-2004 10:31									#117
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quote: Originally posted by Mathemagician ...of course if you had 5 games running vs. berXpert, that would be suspicious.

What's wrong with play with me


I got it... I'm an easy victory for any challenge

	15-09-2004 11:04									#118
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quote: Originally posted by berXpert What's wrong with play with me I got it... I'm an easy victory for any challenge

well, i have no problems with anyone taking 5 chances instead of 1 to drop down 1 slot. but 5 chances to jump to nr.1 slot is something different.

	15-09-2004 21:10									#119
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quote: Originally posted by Mathemagician how about our seats ? 3 and 4 with 4 civs ? and please lets party on a donut.

Donut world is fine. Number of Civs do not matter to me. (What does it matter if they will be eliminated at the outset anyway??)

When you do start the game, please create a new thread with all the settings on it so we can refer back to later in the game. Thanks!

	15-09-2004 22:28									#120
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quote: Originally posted by quinns Donut world is fine. Number of Civs do not matter to me. (What does it matter if they will be eliminated at the outset anyway??)

it matters for starting positions (and colors, umh..)
but i trust you that your settings will give even starting positions. if not its your pity anyway since i am starting the game.

quote: Originally posted by quinns When you do start the game, please create a new thread with all the settings on it so we can refer back to later in the game. Thanks!

will do.