20-08-2004 02:15									#1
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Hi!

I thought about doing a simple test that should show your affiliation or your origin of the civilization series.
The test should be somewhat amusing and gives the user choices to a certain question that are true for certain civ games and wrong for others. Depending on the answers ticked a percentage value is calculated.

I already have several q/as but need help on some more (especially on ctp).
Here are those that I already have (with the affiliation shown):
Q: To build the Knight you need
A1 (Civ1/Civ2): 40 shields
A2 (Civ3): horses and iron
A3 (CtP): 540 production

Q: Upgrading from Spearmen to Pikemen costs
A1 (Civ3): 40 gc
A2 (Civ2): nothing if you have Leo's Workshop
A3 (Civ1): What are you talking about?
A4 (CtP): ?????

Q: The Musketeer Unit has how many defense?
A1 (Civ3/Ctp): 4
A2 (Civ1/Civ2): 3
A3 (Civ2/Civ3/Ctp): depends on the mo(o)d I am in

Q: To sink a Battleship it takes
A1 (Civ2/Civ3): some cruise missiles
A2 (Civ1): a militia fortified on a mountain
A3 (CtP): a stack of 2 Battleships
A4 (Civ1/Civ2/Civ3): sometimes a whole fleet.. argh damn RNG

Q: Which Unit ignores the effects of City Walls when attacking?
A1 (Civ1): Artillery
A2 (Civ2): Howitzer
A3 (Civ3): That must be ships like the Ironclad
A4 (CtP): City Walls cannot stop space bombardment!

Q: Diplomacy exists to
A1 (Civ3): bargain for resources/technologies/cities/maps, make gifts and create alliances and embargos
A2 (Civ1): demand tribute
A3 (Civ2): trade technologies and form alliances
A4 (Civ3/Ctp): ask em to leave your territory

Q: The Diplomat Unit is useful for
A1 (Civ3): Diplomat Unit?
A2 (Civ2/Ctp): getting expelled
A3 (Civ1): destroying City Walls

Q: AI was coded by
A1 (Civ3): Soren Johnson
A2 (CtP): Ian Lane Davis
A3 (Civ1/Civ2): someone else


I have some simple javascript code already working that does the calculation.

What do you say?

	20-08-2004 10:53									#2
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quote: Q: To sink a Battleship it takes A1 (Civ2/Civ3): some cruise missiles A2 (Civ1): a militia fortified on a mountain A3 (CtP): a stack of 2 Battleships A4 (Civ1/Civ2/Civ3): sometimes a whole fleet.. argh damn RNG

WRONG! The correct answer to Civ1, 2 and 3 is a Phalanx/Spearman.

	20-08-2004 13:25									#3
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For CtP (both 1 and 2, but particularly 2), the answer to all questions is "depends on what mod you're using"...

	20-08-2004 14:53									#4
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MrWhereItsAt I lost so many Battleships to Militias I stopped counting
but yeah probably should be changed to Phalanx since it's often refered to as Phalanx vs Tank Problem.

Though in Civ3 you can't lose a Battleship to a spearman. I don't remember civ2 so well, could you attack land units with sea units there directly?

quote: For CtP (both 1 and 2, but particularly 2), the answer to all questions is "depends on what mod you're using"...

hmm yeah, but I got that answer for Q3 already. But maybe something like: "200 gold if you are using the Apolyton Pack" or so (I don't know about the numbers).


It would also be nice to have more questions, not all focusing on units.

	20-08-2004 16:45									#5
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Definately needs more questions, but very good idea and I would love to enter once it is ready.

	20-08-2004 17:25									#6
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quote: Originally posted by Atahualpa hmm yeah, but I got that answer for Q3 already. But maybe something like: "200 gold if you are using the Apolyton Pack" or so (I don't know about the numbers).

You could do that but not a single person in the CtP community would probably know such info by heart, precisely *because* there are so many mods.

In Civ2/3 there are maybe a few dozen units and learning the stats by heart happens automatically when you play the game often. With the dozens of mods available to CtP players, you have many hundreds of units to deal with (well, many units are the same but the stats still differ per mod). Noone could probaly learn all those stats by heart if they wanted to...

If you want to test someone's knowledge of CtP, more general questions would be the way to go (Which of the following governments is not in Cradle? What is the mod-selection utility for CtP1 called and who made it? What is the benefit of capturing Slaves? etc.) That would probably work better for Civ1-3 as well, as I've played all Civ-games except Civ3 extensively but I couldn't tell you the cost of a Knight (or equivalent) in any one of them. This is the same principle as CtP mods of course: the more games you play, the less you remember such minor details.

	20-08-2004 18:02									#7
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Q: To build the Knight you need
A1 (Civ1/Civ2): 40 shields and the Chivalry tech
A2 (Civ3): horses and iron
A3 (CtP): 540 production

Q: Upgrading from Spearmen Phalanx to Pikemen costs
A1 (Civ3): 40 gc
A2 (Civ2): nothing if you have Leo's Workshop
A3 (Civ1): What are you talking about?
A4 (CtP): ?????

Q: The Musketeer Unit has how many defense?
A1 (Civ3/Ctp): 4
A2 (Civ1/Civ2): 3
A3 (Civ2/Civ3/Ctp): depends on the mo(o)d I am in

Q: To sink a Battleship it takes
A1 (Civ2/Civ3): some cruise missiles - What are the other civs doing with battleships in the first place? You can then either just bribe it, depending upon how far away from port it is and how stupendously rich your SSC trading centre has made you, capture its home city and see it disappear before your very eyes, or use one of your own vet battleships to send it to Davy Jones' locker.
A2 (Civ1): a militia fortified on a mountain
A3 (CtP): a stack of 2 Battleships
A4 (Civ1/Civ2/Civ3): sometimes a whole fleet.. argh damn RNG

Q: Which Unit ignores the effects of City Walls when attacking?
A1 (Civ1): Artillery
A2 (Civ2): Howitzer, all aircraft and all boats (and spies).
A3 (Civ3): That must be ships like the Ironclad
A4 (CtP): City Walls cannot stop space bombardment!

Q: Diplomacy exists to
A1 (Civ3): bargain for resources/technologies/cities/maps, make gifts and create alliances and embargos
A2 (Civ1): demand tribute
A3 (Civ2): trade technologies and form alliances, goad them into attacking you, work out who is the most powerful civ in the world and to exchange maps after gifting useless techs so that your crusaders can find them and run them down.
A4 (Civ3/Ctp): ask em to leave your territory

Q: The Diplomat Unit is useful for
A1 (Civ3): Diplomat Unit?
A2 (Civ2/Ctp): getting expelled Everything! (except actually winning battles, although they can damage enemy units)
A3 (Civ1): destroying City Walls

Q: AI was coded by
A1 (Civ3): Soren Johnson
A2 (CtP): Ian Lane Davis
A3 (Civ1/Civ2): someone else (Steven Spielberg)

	20-08-2004 23:44									#8
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Okay here is an example with some of the changes worked in (download the zip attachment). To work you need to have turned javascript on in your browser.

duke:

quote: A1 (Civ2/Civ3): some cruise missiles - What are the other civs doing with battleships in the first place? You can then either just bribe it, depending upon how far away from port it is and how stupendously rich your SSC trading centre has made you, capture its home city and see it disappear before your very eyes, or use one of your own vet battleships to send it to Davy Jones' locker.

I think the cruise missile answer is enough to classify this question to civ2/civ3

Same with the Howitzer, I'd like to keep it simple.

quote: Everything! (except actually winning battles, although they can damage enemy units)

I thought only the Spy can damage enemy units?


Steven Spielberg I'll think about that.

	23-08-2004 07:19									#9
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quote: Originally posted by MrWhereItsAt WRONG! The correct answer to Civ1, 2 and 3 is a Phalanx/Spearman.

Civ1 the answer is 'Diplomat fortified on mountain'.

Civ2 the hp and firepower difference got rid of that problem. The correct answer is actually, 'The enemy never gets battleships by the time I've won', or 'I'm on my way to AC and they're puttering around in caravels. WTF are you talking about?'

For Civ3 the correct answer is 'an ironclad'.

	23-08-2004 08:20									#10
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quote: Originally posted by Atahualpa What do you say?

I say, use PHP instead.

	24-08-2004 18:36									#11
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New version. 11 questions

Javascript is good for now. If somehow this can get hosted here in some section...
PHP is nice, but Javascript has improved a lot after the introduction and common implementation of the DOM.

I included a fill random button for testing.
I am awaiting more possible questions.

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