01-09-2004 01:55									#121
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Bellhorn is not superior defensively to Cairo. I'd say the other way 'round.

Matsui has better range than Manny. This doesn't show up during your home games b/c left field at Fenway is so shallow. They both have weak arms.

-Arrian

	01-09-2004 02:08									#122
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http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/stats...umn=fieldingPct

bellhorn is in the top 10, cairo isnt. his ZR is 2nd best in the league.

	01-09-2004 02:15									#123
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Bellhorn's range at 2B is 4.70, and his Zone Rating (percentage of balls hit into his area converted into outs) is .835. For Cairo, the same numbers are 5.07 and .784; for Wilson, 4.86 and .837. It doesn't seem that the increased range numbers for Cairo and Wilson are a result of more groundballs for the Yankees; the Red Sox have a G/F ratio of 1.27, the Yankees 1.12. (The total number of groundballs for each team is 1651 and 1596, respectively.) Overall, NYY 2B have a range of 4.96 and a ZR of .810; Boston 2B have a range of 4.85 and a ZR of .834.

As for Manny vs. Matsui, Manny's range and ZR are 1.65 and .731. Matsui's are 2.04 and .848. Then again, they have the same defensive value according to Win Shares, despite the fact that Manny has played ~300 fewer innings in left than Matsui. Go figure.

	01-09-2004 02:18									#124
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I stand corrected on Cairo, then. See, I went with my "gut" by just judging them on what I've seen, rather than stats.

Matsui... I think it's blatantly obvious he's better.

-Arrian

	01-09-2004 02:19									#125
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but since cairo hasnt played enough games at 2B, he in an unqualified 2B, so his numbers are off and arnt included in the leaders.

	01-09-2004 02:22									#126
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quote: Originally posted by Lawrence of Arabia http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/stats...umn=fieldingPct bellhorn is in the top 10, cairo isnt. his ZR is 2nd best in the league.

Cairo doesn't show up because he hasn't played enough innings to qualify; his FPCT is better than Bellhorn's, granting that fielding percentage is a junk stat anyways, IMHO.

	01-09-2004 03:56									#127
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In defense, they are not horribly far apart, yes, but offensively it's no contest. Bellhorn is far superior to Wilson/Cairo.

	01-09-2004 04:21									#128
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lackey is looking like the Wild Thing

wild thing you walk everything

	01-09-2004 04:21									#129
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MAH MAH MAH MAH MAH MAAAANNNNNIIIIIIIII!!!!!!!!!!!!!

	01-09-2004 05:33									#130
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nail biter in the bronz - this one could go either way!

	01-09-2004 05:33									#131
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Looks like Vazquez got slapped around a bit.

...Sturtze just gave up a homer... to Coco Crisp. (You know you suck when...)

	01-09-2004 05:55									#132
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That Indians team is quite schizo this year. yikes

	01-09-2004 06:16									#133
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leads the league in runs scored.

	01-09-2004 07:31									#134
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22-0 cleveland

	01-09-2004 07:39									#135
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Wow...that's quite a score. Hooray!

	01-09-2004 07:39									#136
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i think we are now in the yanks blind spot.

	01-09-2004 07:47									#137
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oh man i dont know what feels better - yanks getting blown out, sox winning, or being down to 3.5 games. sadly, i think its that the yanks got blown out. i guess im a negative guy.

	01-09-2004 07:50									#138
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I can't discern. You've got the Sox winning, the Sox beating Wild Card Contender Anaheim, and the Yankees being blown out.

I'm not picky...

	01-09-2004 07:57									#139
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what time is baseball tonite on tonite?

	01-09-2004 08:02									#140
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22-0

I couldn't believe it when I heard it I had to look it up



Damn Yankees!!!




I'm gonna cry it's so funny!

	01-09-2004 09:59									#141
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the yanks got more problems than a math book
they got more issues than playboy.

	01-09-2004 10:15									#142
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3.5 games back. Wouldn't it be something if the Yanks collapsed this year and the BoSox surged?

Of course something will happen to prevent that.

	01-09-2004 10:37									#143
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of course not - when everyone was laughing at me for saying the division wasnt over, i kept quiet. now its time to make some noise, because this is going to be greater and more significant than the boston massacre. ill tentatively call it $teiny's $urrender

	01-09-2004 10:57									#144
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quote: of course not

We'll see, but history shows whenever the Red Sox gain an inch, they eventually lose a yard. It remains to be seen how the curse works this year.

	01-09-2004 10:59									#145
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isnt the curse already factored into sabermetrics and other baseball prospectus stats?

	01-09-2004 11:09									#146
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Nope... it's a psychological bar. Ask a psychoanalysis how to get rid of it .

	01-09-2004 18:13									#147
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quote: of course not - when everyone was laughing at me for saying the division wasnt over, i kept quiet.

Actually, we laughed at you when you said the division WAS over (months ago). And then we laughed again when you suddenly reversed course and stated with absolute certainty that the Sox will win (recently). And neither time did you "keep quiet."

22-0, heh. I shut it off when it was 6-0 and the immortal Tanyon Sturtze was summoned from the bullpen. Well, I guess if you're gonna do something, do it well!

-Arrian

	01-09-2004 18:20									#148
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quote: the immortal Tanyon Sturtze

Well, with 31 games left to play, my Bravos are sitting pretty with an 8.5 game lead, primed for another playoff exit. If it weren't for the Cardinals, I think that Bobby Cox would be a shoo-in for NL manager of the year (and he still might get it, but it's unlikely).

	01-09-2004 18:26									#149
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I can't believe the Braves are winning the NL East again. That's just amazing. Leo Mazzone should go to the HoF. The man is a miracle-worker.

-Arrian

	01-09-2004 18:34									#150
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I can't believe it either. In many ways, this is the most pleasing season the Braves have had since '91.

And yes, I agree about Mazzone: definite HoF material. His pitchers have won 6 Cy Youngs in an 8 year period with 3 different winners, but even more importantly, he has gotten amazing production out of the #3-#5 guys on the staff.

And this year, he has taken a cast of no-names and cast-offs and fashioned a Majors leading 3.74 ERA (tied with St. Louis) with them. Amazing.