24-08-2004 22:11									#1
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Here is the situation - I am a heavy civ3 pbem player. All is running well until I get my hands on a copy of Mig Alley, an older flight sim I have been looking for. It is a new, unopened copy of the game.

I load the game - it runs OK, I give it a spin. I come back to my civ3 life - which occupies 99.99% of my gaming time, and things are different.

All my saves have a new icon - whether they are sitting in my e-mail inbox, or in the saves folder. The ones in the mail folder have 3 little red dots on them - and the ones in the folder (and believe me - there are hundreds of them) - all say MIG SAVE in big red letters and are labelled as a "Mig Document". It has affected all the Civ PTW saves as well.

So - I uninstall Mig Alley - no effect.

I uninstall and re-install Civ3Conquests - no effect.

I download and install a new version of Directx - DirectX9c I think it was. Ah ha! It changes the icon back to the old civ3 save icon - in both my e-mail inbox and my save folder - BUT - they are still called "Mig Documents". To be honest - I can't recall what they were called before - but I am sure it wasn't this.

Interestingly enough - this effected my C&C saves, but not others such as my Shogun, Total War saves.

And one other piece of info - newly created saves in civ3 are showing up with the correct icon, but still labelled Mig Document. However, both the old and new saves load OK and appear to play OK. The next test is to send one of the pbem saves off to the next player to see if it plays Ok there - I presume it will - but what sort of file it shows up being labelled as.

You can probably tell from the above that I am not, by any stretch of the imagination, a computer guru.

Therefore, any advice is welcome. Thank you.

Last edited by Beta on 24-08-2004 at 22:27

	24-08-2004 22:38									#2
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Hi.

Never been lucky enough to play Civ3 or Mig Alley. Mother says they are too violent. But when Mother isn't looking I do managed to get on the computer.

It looks like Mig Alley associated the file extention used for the save files with Mig Alley. We can re-associate the Civ3 save files with Civ3, but that will change the icons and association for Mig Alley. It's up to you. The files themselves will not change.

Find a Civ3 save file. Right click on it. The menu that appears should have an "Open With..." option. Click on it.

The Open With window will open. Select Civ3. If it's not listed use the Browse button and find the Civ3 exe. Select it.

Make sure the "Always use the selected program to open this kind of file" checkbox is checked.

Click OK.

All of your Civ3 & Mig Alley save icons should now be Civ3 icons. If you prefer the the Mig Alley icon switch back. Note: When you double click on a file with this extention which ever program it is associated with, will open.

It's a Windows thing. Windows can only associate a file extention with one program.

enjoy

	24-08-2004 22:45									#3
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quote: Originally posted by skrobism Hi. Never been lucky enough to play Civ3 or Mig Alley. Mother says they are too violent. But when Mother isn't looking I do managed to get on the computer.

Violent? In civ 3 all you have to deal with are barbarians and razing cities and in Mig Alley getting shut down. With computers one has to deal with firewalls, and file deletions, and file corruptions, and viruses. Very scary. No thanks - I'll stick to my games.

skrobism - many thanks - giving it a whirl now.

	24-08-2004 23:13									#4
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Ok - doesn't look like it worked.

To start with - I assume the exe file was the one with the civ3 icon on it. It isn't labelled it as such, but it is the program which clearly starts civ3.

So - I do that - civ 3 looks like it wants to start up - you get the initial small screen, but without the options on it - and then it is gone. The save in question still says Mig Document, as do all the others. But the Civ3 program now shows up when you click on 'open with.'

	25-08-2004 01:21									#5
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First run Dxdiag and check the display tab to see if all three functions are enabled.

If you are using the windows explorer, set it to details and see what the extention is labeled.

Then check the property setting for display to see if it is at least 1024. You can do this a number of ways, but right clicking on the desktop and chose properties is easy.

	25-08-2004 01:54									#6
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Beta you always seem to have issues

Play MORE CIV, and stop screwing around with those other trivial games

	25-08-2004 03:22									#7
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quote: Originally posted by vmxa1 First run Dxdiag and check the display tab to see if all three functions are enabled. If you are using the windows explorer, set it to details and see what the extention is labeled. Then check the property setting for display to see if it is at least 1024. You can do this a number of ways, but right clicking on the desktop and chose properties is easy.

Ok - will do. Thanks!

	25-08-2004 03:24									#8
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quote: Originally posted by conmcb25 Beta you always seem to have issues Play MORE CIV, and stop screwing around with those other trivial games

That's cause I only know enough about computers to play games. And you are right about the civ and other games. I really don't know why I bother - I check them out - maybe play them a handful of times, and that's it.

	25-08-2004 03:55									#9
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quote: Originally posted by vmxa1 First run Dxdiag and check the display tab to see if all three functions are enabled.

They are.

quote: If you are using the windows explorer, set it to details and see what the extention is labeled.

I don't follow this. The extension on what?

quote: Then check the property setting for display to see if it is at least 1024. You can do this a number of ways, but right clicking on the desktop and chose properties is easy.

Yup - 1024.

	25-08-2004 06:18									#10
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And here I thought from the thread's title that Beta was requesting assistance in his "Tech Research" efforts!

But sadly, I don't have any advice for your current save file rewording Beta. Execpt that maybe you should just stick with Civ games like the rest of us.

	25-08-2004 07:10									#11
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quote: Originally posted by Wittlich And here I thought from the thread's title that Beta was requesting assistance in his "Tech Research" efforts! But sadly, I don't have any advice for your current save file rewording Beta. Execpt that maybe you should just stick with Civ games like the rest of us.

Yes - I am getting that message loud and clear.

	25-08-2004 07:52									#12
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quote: Originally posted by Beta I don't follow this. The extension on what?

Most computer files are in the format of NAME.EXT where NAME is the name of the file and EXT is the 'extension'. Examples are .exe for the 'Executable' file, the file that runs most programs; .doc for Microsoft Word Document files and .sav for savefiles of many games, including Civ3.

Once you have enabled the 'Details' view as mentioned above, in the window with your savefiles in it you should be able to see each file in the above format. If the extension is not .sav then right click and rename the file, changing only the extension to .sav

Then try.

	25-08-2004 07:53									#13
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quote: Originally posted by Beta That's cause I only know enough about computers to play games. And you are right about the civ and other games. I really don't know why I bother - I check them out - maybe play them a handful of times, and that's it.

Funnily enough, I started out as you, and all I know from computers comes from the endless difficulties with trying to get said games to work and keep working. Oh, and IRC.

	25-08-2004 08:11									#14
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Beta the icon has no real meaning, it is just there for you to be able to recoqnize the file easily.

If you change preference for some things such as zip file you can get a new icon represention. Nothing really changes. You see this in XP if you use the default tool for zips and then switch to Winrar.

So other than the icon are things not working? If so what is failing and how.

Can you post one of the files here?

Last edited by vmxa1 on 25-08-2004 at 20:41

	25-08-2004 11:47									#15
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Yeah, Bruce, ignore the whole thing. It's just the simplistics of Windows - they are only able to associate one kind of an icon (and one "document type") with a given extension (.SAV in this case). It means squat what icon you see, it will still work.

It was bad thinking on Mig Alley creators part, since grabbing the generic .SAV extension for just "their" saves is a bit arrogant...

But safely ignore it, it's just cosmetics.

	25-08-2004 12:01									#16
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At the risk of a spam response...

Ditto what VMX and VonD said.

If you can't load your saves.... THAT would be a problem.

	25-08-2004 15:37									#17
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quote: Originally posted by vondrack It was bad thinking on Mig Alley creators part, since grabbing the generic .SAV extension for just "their" saves is a bit arrogant...

How is this different from what Firaxis was doing?

	25-08-2004 17:11									#18
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Civ3 doesn't associate itself with .sav files, the files in save folder open with "unknown application". If you double-click a .sav file, it doesn't open civ3, just the windows prompt asking what it should do with the file. I think, if still associated with Mig Alley, it would try to run and open the civ saves...

	26-08-2004 03:13									#19
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quote: Originally posted by Sir Ralph How is this different from what Firaxis was doing?

What Tattila said - Firaxis did not do anything like that.

Using the generic .SAV extension for one's savefiles (Firaxis) is ok - that's what generic extensions are for. Associating the generic .SAV extension with one's savefiles (Mig Alley) is not ok - see what it did to poor Beta...

Firaxis is not saint - but they are not guilty of this sin.

	30-08-2004 07:04									#20
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Thanks one and all.

vmxa1, von/Radek, nye, they are still called Mig Documents, but you are correct, they load fine and civ3 pbem continues unabated and in fine fashion.

(other than of course, the fact that vondrack is not involved in any pbem games. )

	30-08-2004 07:10									#21
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quote: Originally posted by MrWhereItsAt Funnily enough, I started out as you, and all I know from computers comes from the endless difficulties with trying to get said games to work and keep working. Oh, and IRC.

How true! I remember getting Eli to do my first avatar for me. Or my first experience with IRC. But I still consider myself a complete rookie. My latest challenge is figuring how to get the excell spreadsheet I did for the PBEM census loaded so it shows up as an attachment.

Hint Hint. vondrack???

	30-08-2004 07:28									#22
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xls is a valid attachment in poly, so as long as it is less than 500K you can attach it.

If it is larger than that, zip it first.

Open the standard reply and look for the browse button below the clipboard window (where you type in your message).

The browse option will let you locate your xls file and then it will be attached.