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Theseus is offline Theseus

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300 Persians against the Babylonian KAI! Lose 30 kilos (of popups)

I don't believe that I've ever seen such an heroic AI defense, and rarely such an aggressive KAI.

Borazjan is getting POUNDED, appr. 25+ Bombers and a like number of naval bombards per turn... 5 turns so far, I think... and just keeps on hanging on.

The Babs can't get enough units through my territory to do the dirty deed, even though every Persian unit is redlined by the time of the land attack.

I think this turn may be their last... alas, Cyrus and Darius.

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And before anybody says a WORD ... yes, I am in Republic, which I friggin' hate. I was so resource-constrained in the Ancient Era that by they time I was ready for a UU-triggered GA, Republic made the most sense, and I have not been in the position nor seen the need to revolt upwards since. It has still been a huuuuge PITA, requiring too many WW-moderating buildings.

BTW, I am in a bit of a quandary here: Go for an SS win (Babs have UN), or just out of principle eject the Babs from the home continent? The problem is that the Babs have a VASTLY superior Navy and Air Force (i.e, I have none, nor a navy yet built to even take the nearby islands), and even if I clear the nearby threats they can still beat on me. Flak units, fer chrissakes, and Arty? I have no doubt that I can kick their *ss, but the initial stages of the war could be ugly. And... they have the Manhattan Project completed, and I don;t have nukes yet.

Like I said in one of the resources threads, this turned out to be a very fun and engaging game. (4000BC available, if anyone wants it)

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Surprised you're not commie by now, yeah. Too late now. Go for the SS.

-Arrian, who LOVES republic

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T, please tell me you don't have an ongoing deal with the Persians that's keeping you from swooping in and stealing Borazjan right out from under Hammy's nose.

And the correct answer is, obviously, whether or not you go for the SS win, eject the Babs from the continent, set up Fortress Mesopotamia, then right after the SS is launched, open up on the Babs for the pure fun of the destruction.

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What level is this? Emperor? Demi?

-Arrian, Monarch slumlord

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Make a ROP with the Persians and occupy every square in their territory. That oughta drive the Babs nuts.

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Off the track here, I noticed you mined your grasslands when you could have irrigated those instead. Is one food unit from each square sufficent for your cities?

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Mined grassland = 2 food, 1 shield (2 food, 2 shields for "bonus" grassland, the ones with the little shield on them).

Mined grassland with rr = 2 food, 2 shields (3 shields for bonus grass).

Irrigated grassland = 3 food, 0 shields (3, 1 for bonus). THIS DOES NOT WORK UNDER DESPOTISM. I only mention this because I know you're new to CivIII.

Irrigated grassland w/rr = 4food, 0 shields (4, 1 for bonus grass).

Anyway, if all tiles in a city's radius are grass, the city will be at +2fpt.

Generally, mine grassland. The only time I irrigate grassland is when:

1) I'm out of despotism; and
2) I wish to get to +5 food per turn for a settler or worker pump; OR
3) I need the food to balance out lots of hills/mountains in the city radius.

Once cities hit their max pop (12 in many cases, less with tighter spacing), you typically want to balance them at no extra food intake, for maximum shield output.

-Arrian

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Also, since I use a fairly tight 3-tile spacing, even with Hospitals I can't grow cities all that large. So in many cases I don't even bother, and leave them at 12 pop or below... so mined/RRed grassland is just fine.

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T, please tell me you don't have an ongoing deal with the Persians that's keeping you from swooping in and stealing Borazjan right out from under Hammy's nose.

And the correct answer is, obviously, whether or not you go for the SS win, eject the Babs from the continent, set up Fortress Mesopotamia, then right after the SS is launched, open up on the Babs for the pure fun of the destruction.


I did previously have deals for saltpeter AND coal with the Persians (this is the resourceless game I was talking about in the Conquests forum)... it just expired.

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What level is this? Emperor? Demi?

-Arrian, Monarch slumlord


Demigod.

- Theseus the Resourceless

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I did previously have deals for saltpeter AND coal with the Persians (this is the resourceless game I was talking about in the Conquests forum)... it just expired.


There's the T we all know and love.

You really had me worried for a second there.

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Resource challenged, please!

-Arrian

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Thanks, guys. When you put it that way, it does make sense!

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BTW, those Persians really were making a heckuva last stand... it took FIVE tanks to take out two redlined Infantry.

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Good little Persians.

How are you doing? Win yet?

-Arrian

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Put an end to popups!

Just finished a SS win... the Babs never attacked me, so I left alone their encroachments on my continent.

They were a truly impressive KAI though, with score at about twice mine, same for culture, a 5+ turn tech lead at the end, and parity in military strength (due mostly to their *awesome* navy, whereas I ruled in land strength).

It was interesting to see, to, that the Babs were filling cities in empty land in their north, even up till the end (albeit at a loose spacing). I haven't seen it enough times, still, but I maintain that the AI rules work better and better as a KAI develops... sorta tracks with Antrine's experiements with wildly increased availability of 'stuff' (e.g., resources, Armies, etc.).

Fun game.

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