27-08-2004 00:26									#1
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well I may get the new PC before I finish PST, esp given how long PST is taking.

But lets assume I finish PST first and want another old game (one that can run on P2-266, 48 Meg IE pre-2000)

Im RPGed out after BG1 and PST. Im ready to go back to strategy (broadly defined) after dabbling in other genres.

Possibilities
1. TBS - I own Civ, SMAC, and Imp. Im thinking an interstellar scifi 4X - probably MOO2 which seems to be something of a classic, and has the advantage of a forum here for discussions.
2. RTS - only have AOE. Im thinking Warcraft 2, another classic in the genre.

Both of above are widely available in bargain bins.

3. A wargame - I have SMG,SMA, CWG, and PG2. Im thinking TOAW.

	27-08-2004 00:33									#2
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MOO2 is a key step in your gaming development. For RTS I'd play through Starcraft, which has better SP campaigns than WC2. If you haven't tried it the original Combat Mission (or indeed the sequel) is a great TBS/RTS/wargame hybrid I'd be willing to bet you'd love.

	27-08-2004 00:41									#3
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quote: Originally posted by DrSpike MOO2 is a key step in your gaming development. For RTS I'd play through Starcraft, which has better SP campaigns than WC2. If you haven't tried it the original Combat Mission (or indeed the sequel) is a great TBS/RTS/wargame hybrid I'd be willing to bet you'd love.

yeah, I think you may be right, MOO2 is the way to go.

Does SC capture all thats in WC? I guess with all the hype for WC3, WoW, id like to know a little better what everyones talking about.

Combat Mission may actually strain my PC specs . In any case after PG2 im not sure i want another WW2 tactical game, even though i understand CM was tremendously different.

	27-08-2004 00:48									#4
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I played CM ok on my P2-400 a few years back. It's very different from the turn-based PG style, so might be worth checking out.

As for RTS SC is a better game than WC2, but if its the WC universe you wanted to explore then you'd have to play that. It's a very fleshed out world if you are into fantasy stuff, which is a factor in why I think WoW is going to be truly massive in the MMORPG sphere........well that and the fact millions play Blizzard's games online because they are so good MP. That's a nice little fan base.

For you I'd think carefully about either game though, though I may misrepresent your preferences. You seem to like AOE2, but there is no historical content in Blizzard's games, and I'm not sure if you are a fantasy buff.

	27-08-2004 00:57									#5
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quote: Originally posted by DrSpike I played CM ok on my P2-400 a few years back. It's very different from the turn-based PG style, so might be worth checking out. As for RTS SC is a better game than WC2, but if its the WC universe you wanted to explore then you'd have to play that. It's a very fleshed out world if you are into fantasy stuff, which is a factor in why I think WoW is going to be truly massive in the MMORPG sphere........well that and the fact millions play Blizzard's games online because they are so good MP. That's a nice little fan base. For you I'd think carefully about either game though, though I may misrepresent your preferences. You seem to like AOE2, but there is no historical content in Blizzard's games, and I'm not sure if you are a fantasy buff.

Check out my nick, dude

I like Tolkien. Ive played BG1 and PST. Im not wild about fantasy as a game setting, i think like in fiction (other than Tolkien) its a warrant for no particular authorial limits, which make it too easy to be incoherent - i prefer history and scifi, in that order - but I can live with fantasy in an otherwise good game. Even I can see that gameplay sometimes trumps setting. I wouldnt be interested in a fantasy RTS if it werent so central to the gaming world.

	27-08-2004 01:20									#6
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Of the games you've listed as one's you're considering:

Master of Orion II

As for less old games:

After that, I think Warcraft III is an excellent game, but some lame brains around here who have never played through its main campaign like to trash it.

Another good game would be Rise of Nations, which is suprisingly good (or at least I found it so).

	27-08-2004 01:24									#7
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quote: Originally posted by Arnelos Of the games you've listed as one's you're considering: Master of Orion II As for less old games: After that, I think Warcraft III is an excellent game, but some lame brains around here who have never played through its main campaign like to trash it. Another good game would be Rise of Nations, which is suprisingly good (or at least I found it so).

I dont need recommendations for less old games. Once Ive got the new computer I wont eat or sleep till ive acquired EU2.

	27-08-2004 01:26									#8
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MoO2 - its really an incredable game.

-Jam

	27-08-2004 01:42									#9
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So much so, that Jamski has lost the ability to spell.

Tbh LotM if setting doesn't bother you you should play SC as well. It's even more iconic than MOO2 in it's sphere. True it's revered primarily for its MP greatness (still 100,000s of players as well the odd TV channel in Korea years after release) but the SP campaign was a landmark also for the variety within the races in the game.

From the WC series wait till you get your new machine then check out WC3.

	27-08-2004 01:42									#10
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Many good ideas. Moo1 or Moo2. I have always liked Starcraft and Warcraft I or II were great. Yes I like III, but not as much.

Even some of the C&C offerings are fun.

One thing about Moo1 is only found on the web. Stars if you could find it.

	27-08-2004 01:46									#11
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quote: Originally posted by DrSpike So much so, that Jamski has lost the ability to spell. Tbh LotM if setting doesn't bother you you should play SC. It's even more iconic than MOO2 in it's sphere. True it's revered primarily for its MP greatness (still 100,000s of players as well the odd TV channel in Korea years after release) but the SP campaign was a landmark also for the variety within the races in the game. From the WC series wait till you get your new machine then check out WC3.

New machine > EU2. The Sims (for POTM, but i'll check it out if only for the spam value here ). Civ3, now that its more or less complete. RoN, maybe. Victoria and/or CK. Combat Mission, I suppose. Simcity4, i think. One or more of the more recent Impressions City builders. So it will be a LONG time before I buy WC3.

	27-08-2004 01:49									#12
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Yeah, especially if you only play on Sundays.

	27-08-2004 02:28									#13
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quote: Originally posted by DrSpike Yeah, especially if you only play on Sundays.

seriously, i usually only play a few hours a week.

Civ2 was really well over a year of gameplay for me, including the time i spent on scenarios - if EU2 is any less I'll be disappointed. Any game i really get into can easily hold me for several months. So I think we're talking about at least two years of gameplay from the history games and sim games i mentioned, plus some months for MOO2 and any old wargames I get. And I'll probably go back and get another RPG at some point.

	27-08-2004 03:44									#14
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quote: Originally posted by lord of the mark I dont need recommendations for less old games. Once Ive got the new computer I wont eat or sleep till ive acquired EU2.

i've just tried running it(EU2) on my pc(older than what you got) - so far so good, which was quite surprising - and i never had a problem on it with my pc's at work(PII 300's +).

And Moo2 is much fun, although i'd like to play Moo1 sometime

	27-08-2004 05:23									#15
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MoO2 and STARS!, the later can be found at the unmentionalble place.

	27-08-2004 07:55									#16
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MoO is more of a classic than MoO 2

Also, get XCOM if you don't have it.

	27-08-2004 21:03									#17
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quote: Originally posted by child of Thor i've just tried running it(EU2) on my pc(older than what you got) - so far so good, which was quite surprising -

Whats the RAM on that machine?

	27-08-2004 21:04									#18
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quote: Originally posted by Urban Ranger MoO is more of a classic than MoO 2 Also, get XCOM if you don't have it.

Whats Xcom about? Isnt that turnbased squad level in some kind of sci fi or post apocalyptic universe?

	27-08-2004 22:07									#19
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My ram is 48mb [I haven't got far into the game so i got no idea how it will do in the long run - but it runs which is a small wonder]

and i'll add to whatever Urban Ranger will say, that Xcom(the first one mind you) is probably the best pc game in the world, up there in my top three with Civ + Pirates! - if you havent played it and like strategic/management games you should see if you can find it
heres a link to mobygames with some info on it moby games xcom

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	27-08-2004 22:13									#20
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quote: Originally posted by lord of the mark Whats Xcom about? Isnt that turnbased squad level in some kind of sci fi or post apocalyptic universe?

Yes. Aliens invade in 1999 and you are in charge of the international force that's supposed to fight them off. Do research for better weapons to beat the aliens; keep them from demoralizing the countries who are providing your funding. There's an Xcom thread which has lots of information, but also lots of spoilers. On the first run-through, this is one of the best games ever. And it's still a very good game even after you know the spoilers. The atmosphere is amazing for a game of that vintage.

	28-08-2004 00:38									#21
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Its economic management in the first half of the game, swapping over to turn-based squad level combat. It pulls off both halves of the game superbly.

	28-08-2004 01:01									#22
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quote: Originally posted by lord of the mark Whats Xcom about? Isnt that turnbased squad level in some kind of sci fi or post apocalyptic universe?

You've got to be kidding me. You haven't played MoO2 or Xcom? I agree with UR and tend to like MoO1 better than MoO2.

Run, don't stop and get these three games now.

	28-08-2004 01:46									#23
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I do have to agree that the original Master of Orion is a hell of a lot better of a game than Master of Orion II.

MoO deserves its place as one of the best games ever made. MoO2 at least gets into the stadium, but certainly doesn't quite win any prizes.

Problem these days is getting the original MoO to run on a Windows XP system.

	28-08-2004 02:14									#24
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quote: Originally posted by lord of the mark Im thinking TOAW.

Try to get the Century of Warfare version. Outstanding!

	28-08-2004 07:07									#25
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quote: Originally posted by Arnelos Problem these days is getting the original MoO to run on a Windows XP system.

I think you can get it running in Dosbox, though I haven't actually tried it myself.

	28-08-2004 07:10									#26
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I will second, third, fifth, or whatever, X-Com and the Master of Orion games.


You can even PM me if you need help finding them.

	29-08-2004 22:22									#27
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Of course LotM you can check out the X-com thread. It's not a forum game.

	30-08-2004 01:20									#28
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You''re missing out on a lot of hex based strategy games. I would say go straight for the Panzer General series. The PG original still is the best.

Otherwise you could go for Battle for Wesnoth (fantasy/RPG-tactics) or Advanced Strategic Command (Modern/SF- tactics/strategy)

http://www.wesnoth.org/
http://www.asc-hq.org/

	30-08-2004 04:04									#29
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RoN is a great RTS, yes, but there's no way it's going to run on an old 266Mhz. Other than X-Com, I'd recommend Jagged Alliance, Transport Tycoon DX, Colonization, Pirates! and Master of Magic.

Altough the gameplay is pretty identical in SC and WC2, SC has much better atmosphere and is a few years younger (better graphics etc.). Try to get it bundled with Brood War to save $$$ and add up gameplay.

	30-08-2004 06:29									#30
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quote: Originally posted by VJ Other than X-Com, I'd recommend Jagged Alliance, Transport Tycoon DX, Colonization, Pirates! and Master of Magic.

I'd skip Pirates!, but the rest: