28-08-2004 04:32									#31
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Nope, I - just to make sure we do not miss the goal again - rushed 3S to 100S this turn and set the city to +52spt/-4fpt. I had to clean the pollution though, which I originally did not plan.

	28-08-2004 14:27									#32
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BIG NEWS!

I played a quick PtW Hotseat game (which AFAIK is identical with a PBEM game) and I was never notified when I failed to plant a spy !!!

I played with 2 human civs, and I reloaded many times (those damn plant spy actions are most of the time successful) and tried to plant spies with both civs in different occasions, and I was never notified.

Further update: I tried other actions as well, like stealing maps, troop locations, tech, I sometimes failed twice in the same turn (steal+plant spy), and I've never seen a notification.

Maybe we should set up a quick PBEM game, just to be 100% sure?

Last edited by Tiberius on 28-08-2004 at 15:39

	28-08-2004 19:36									#33
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Wow, Tibi, this is great news! Not sure if a "quick" PBEM could get to spies before the end of this year... though, wait... I heard it was possible to go between regular MP and PBEM at will!? Has anyone ever tried that? That could work - we could try playing to the industrial era and spies) in regular MP and only then switch to true PBEM.

	28-08-2004 21:48									#34
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Why should we play from the beginning? Couldn't we load a modern era scenario?
For example for the game I played I choosed (after 3 minutes of search) a scenario that starts at the beginning of the modern era. It is true that I had to start with a regular settler, but the first thing I built in my city was the Intelligence Agency

	28-08-2004 23:21									#35
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Ahhh, bugs galore.

Should make this game interesting.

	28-08-2004 23:39									#36
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quote: Originally posted by Tiberius Why should we play from the beginning? Couldn't we load a modern era scenario? For example for the game I played I choosed (after 3 minutes of search) a scenario that starts at the beginning of the modern era. It is true that I had to start with a regular settler, but the first thing I built in my city was the Intelligence Agency

Great. Fire up a modern era scenario and email me the save, please. Let's confirm this. It's quite important.

	29-08-2004 10:13									#37
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You can even "send" the save to yourself to test out stuff in PBEM.

But I'll be surprised if you really are notified.

Now comes the ethical question... do we notify GoW? With combat, you at least see the results - missing units, razed or captured cities - on your turn. With the spy plant, zip.

	29-08-2004 11:45									#38
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No voluntary notification for me. It would be like telling them we had a boat sailing by a city of theirs, spotting nothing important. There are so many things we have to live with in this game that are not exactly convenient...

They must know we have had Espionage for several turns now. They must expect us to plant spies. Combat logs were agreed to, so we will submit them. But there is no rule about reporting failed spy planting attempts.

	29-08-2004 15:05									#39
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Um... whats the little pentagon symbol? justy wondering because it showed up in the top 5 cities when it showed Legopolis. Does THAT appear on the other players top 5 cities display?

	29-08-2004 15:37									#40
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sh*t. It that shows for the others as well, they will know we have an Intelligence Agency in Legopolis. On the other hand, why would anyone research Espionage if not to build the IA?

Test save sent to Radek.

Edit: also, comparative list updated with latest figures.

Last edited by Tiberius on 29-08-2004 at 17:15

	29-08-2004 20:10									#41
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They know we have espionage, and at this point they probably assume we have spies planted with them. Let's just make sure to make that true

	29-08-2004 20:23									#42
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quote: Originally posted by rendelnep Um... whats the little pentagon symbol? justy wondering because it showed up in the top 5 cities when it showed Legopolis. Does THAT appear on the other players top 5 cities display?

No, it does not. Just checked that in a test PBEM with Tibi. It's only us seeing the pentagon symbol, nobody else.

	29-08-2004 20:46									#43
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Good news!

Failed spy actions are NOT reported in PBEM!

Just checked that in a staged PBEM with Tibi. I successfully planted a spy with him and then failed to steal his plans. He got no notification on his following turn. He then failed to plant his spy with me - and I got no notification either.

Big to Tibi for checking the issue!

	29-08-2004 21:18									#44
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Luckily I had some time this weekend (this week, actually), so I was able to do more than the regular lurking.

	30-08-2004 18:21									#45
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After how many turns are we going to try planting a spy with GoW again? I remember something about automatically not succeding a nr of turns after a failure, but I'm not sure.

Shouldn't we plant a spy with ND as well, just in case? The more information we have, the better.

	30-08-2004 19:55									#46
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I believe I heard that, too (about automatic failures in consecutive turns). Anyone knows for sure?

As for spies with other teams - I am all for it, just that we do not have that much gold ATM. We need about 420g to upgrade the remaining few units (1 rifle, 2 cannons, and 2 caravels). Once that is out of the way, I woud say we should try again (and with others, too).

	30-08-2004 22:20									#47
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Yeah, I've heard of automatic failure for a few turns as well.

And once we have the gold, definitely try for ND.