31-08-2004 18:28									#31
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Jam's attacking, but it's not me who's being attacked.

	31-08-2004 19:47									#32
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There are only two who have the ship numbers to bring of a succesfull attack: Sandman and Whoha.

Darn, no update yet.

	31-08-2004 20:56									#33
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gah, gotta go to class. Eh well, I'll come and see it later.

	31-08-2004 21:36									#34
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Turn 1: "Wow this takes a long F'n time to compile."

code:

First attack:  Sandman takes on Smiley

Sandman: 2LB,  6FC, 6TC : FTL-TFL: Back off and normal
Smiley: 4LD, 1LB, 2LF, 1FF, 1TF: LFL-TTF:  Close in and normal

Raw Data (Round 1):
Sandman         Smiley
12 F              21 L
12 T               1 F
6 L                21 L

Adjusted data (Round 1)
12 F              42 L    -Sandman takes 30 points of damage
12 T                2 F    -Smiley takes 10 points of damage
6 L                 21 L    -Sandman takes 15 points of damage

Sandman lost 6FC, 5TC (1 TC dam[3]) : Smiley lost: 2LF, 1LB (1 LD dam[6])

Raw Data (Round 2):
Sandman         Smiley
2 T                 1 T
0 F                 1 T
6 L                 1 F

Adjusted data (Round 1)
2 T                 1 T     -Smiley takes 1 point of damage
0 F                 1 T     -Sandman takes 1 point of damage
12 L               1 F     -Smiley  takes 11 points of damage

Smiley lost 1 FF, 1 TF, 1LD (1 LD dam[6]):  Sandman (1 TC dam[2])

Note: [x] is hp remaining.

2nd Attack:  Jamski's so-called alliance with LL

Jamski: 1LD, 1LB, 2TD, 1TF, 2FD: FLT-TLF: Close in and spread out
LL: 6LD: LLT-TFF: Close in and spread out.

Raw Data (Round 1):
Jamski           LL
8 F                24 L
7 L                24 L
9 T                  0 T

Adjusted Data (Round 1):
16 F              192 L
28 L                96 L
4.5 T                 0 T

I'm not even going to do the math, but Jamski's fleet is vaporized.  LL takes damaged to a LD[4].

3rd Attack:  Whoha gets him some Geo

Whoha: 10LF, 10FF, 14TF: TFL-TLF: Close in and spread out.
Geomodder: 1LD, 2LC, 2FD, 2TD: LLT-FFT: Close in and normal.

Raw Data (Round 1):
Whoha           Geo
14 T               8 L
10 F               8 L
10 L               8 T

Adjusted data (Round 1):
28 T               32 L      Whoha takes 4 damage
10 F               64 L      Whoha takes 54 damage
40 L               16 T       Geomodder takes 32 damage

Whoha lost 9TF, 10FF, 10 LF:  Geomodder lost 2 TD, 2LC, 1LD

Raw Data(Round 2):
Whoha            Geo
5 T                 8 F  
0 L                  8 F
0 F                  0 T

Adjusted Data:
5 T                  32 F    Whoha takes 27 damage
0 L                  8 F      Whoha takes 8 damage
0 F                  0 T

Whoha's  fleet is eliminated.

code:




 
Player Name
 
Bases
 
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TotalShips
 
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Cruisers(2)
 
Battleships(3)
 
Dreadnaughts(4)
 
Titans(5)
 



 
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GeneralTacticus
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DrSpike
  
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Geomodder
  
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Jamski
  
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joncha
  
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Kassiopeia
  
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Ljube-Ljcvetko
  
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Skanky Burns
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Whoha
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Last edited by Spaced Cowboy on 01-09-2004 at 19:03

	31-08-2004 21:38									#35
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Put the battles in code blocks so their easier to read.

	31-08-2004 22:01									#36
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* Kassiopeia congratulates GeneralTacticus, Skanky Burns, DrSpike and Joncha

Stellar play so far. Excellent building decisions all around.

	31-08-2004 22:01									#37
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Couple of things, first off I should have 16 bp, spent 14 last turn, saved 1.

then on to the battle:

"Whoha: 10LF, 10FF, 14TF: TFL-TLF: Close in and spread out.
Geomodder: 1LD, 2LC, 2FD, 2TD: LLT-FFT: Close in and normal.

Raw Data (Round 1):
Whoha Geo
14 T 8 L
10 F 8 L
10 L 8 T

Adjusted data (Round 1):
Torpedos are supposed to beat lasers
14 T 32 L Whoha takes 18 damage
28T 32 L Whoha takes 4 damage
20 F 64 L Whoha takes 44 damage
40 L 16 T Geomodder takes 24 damage
40L vs 8T (again I spread out) Geo takes 32 damage
Whoha lost 11TF, 10FF, 10 LF: Geomodder lost 2 TD, 2LC

I lose 2 TF,10FF, and 12 more frigates from some where else. if we go 1/2 and 1/2 I'm down to 6TF and 4LF. This seems to be how you divided my losses Geo loses 2LC,2TD and either the laser D or a fighter D



loss of Fighter dreadnaught results:
Raw Data(Round 2):
Whoha Geo
6 T 4 F
4 L 4 F
0 F 0 T

Adjusted Data:
6 T 16 F (F > T and im spread out so 16 F) 10 damage for me.
32 L 8 F(L > F,double close in, and spread out so 24 damage for geo.
0 F 0 T

He loses both remaining dreadnaughts and I lose 5 TFs.
and I win.

Loss of Laser Dreadnaught:
6T 32F 26 damage for me which is all my remaining frigates.
32L 16F 16 damage for Geo which is both of his remaining dreadnaughts

So I request a ruling from the GM, which Dreadnaught would Geo have lost? If you go 1/2 and 1/2 with Geo's losses I would win(where he loses all his torpedo dreads, his 2 laser cruisers, and 1 FD in the first round).

Last edited by Whoha on 31-08-2004 at 22:32

	31-08-2004 22:05									#38
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Wow, Whoha wants my pelt...

	31-08-2004 22:07									#39
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your point about the OOB was correct Geo.

	31-08-2004 22:09									#40
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and sent.

	31-08-2004 22:09									#41
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quote: 16 F 192 L

OUCH!

	31-08-2004 22:25									#42
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orders sent

	31-08-2004 22:31									#43
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quote: Originally posted by Whoha your point about the OOB was correct Geo.

Yah, but that was before seeing your corrected battle calculations, it's more like I went through the hole of a needle here...

Looks like it's gonna take more time to build up decent defenses then I thought.

	31-08-2004 22:32									#44
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Maybe not Geo, Depending on how losses are assigned I may have won that. If he divides up yours the way he divided up mine I won that

	31-08-2004 22:39									#45
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Mmm, bigger ships means damaged ships. The last damage might be divided among my surviving ships of different class.

	31-08-2004 23:02									#46
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Well if thats the case I didn't lose any frigates at all, they all just lost 1 hp each

	31-08-2004 23:10									#47
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quote: Originally posted by Spaced Cowboy In case everyone was skimski-ing, no shields or spys were built (or allowed to be built) during turn 0.

Really? Did we do that first game as well?

	31-08-2004 23:31									#48
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Well, that was a miserable attack. Smiley's laser barrage wiped out my fighters, and that was that. And now he has a 4 BP advantage over me. Goody.

Still, it could have been worse.

Orders unleashed.

	31-08-2004 23:32									#49
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quote: Originally posted by Whoha they all just lost 1 hp each

Which is sufficient to? ...

Darn, when is the update gonna be?

	01-09-2004 00:02									#50
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quote: Originally posted by GeoModder Which is sufficient to? ... Darn, when is the update gonna be?

Frigates have 2 hps each. If the 24 extra damage is spread out I nearly double the firepower that already in the worst case scenario wipes out your fleet

	01-09-2004 00:16									#51
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Not a good day for attacking, eh? Sent.

	01-09-2004 01:28									#52
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In any case, as long as I don't know what I've got left I cannot give orders. It's quite crucial IMO.

	01-09-2004 01:41									#53
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Sent.

	01-09-2004 03:30									#54
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Ah well.... a sad day for the Jamski empire

AGAIN

Oddres Schent

-Jam

	01-09-2004 04:19									#55
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I didn't know you were attacking Jamski.

Had I known that, I would have built another base and left them open for your victorious fleets.

	01-09-2004 05:37									#56
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looking at the chart, seeing lots of 4 20's.

	01-09-2004 05:56									#57
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okay, did I not do it correctly? I put your fleets as spread out and 1/2 damage done by torpedos, that is your torpedos....did I not read the rules correctly????

	01-09-2004 06:30									#58
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there were a variety of things wrong with the calculations(in penance for being such a pain in the ass about this I agree to gm the next game).

spread out doubles fighter damage against my fleet, and halves torpedo damage against my fleet. You got the rules correct in some parts, but were probably tired when you did my fight with geo

Your data:
"Whoha: 10LF, 10FF, 14TF: TFL-TLF: Close in and spread out.
Geomodder: 1LD, 2LC, 2FD, 2TD: LLT-FFT: Close in and normal.

Raw Data (Round 1):
Whoha Geo
14 T 8 L
10 F 8 L
10 L 8 T

Adjusted data (Round 1):

14 T 32 L Whoha takes 18 damage
This first line is wrong, Torpedos beat lasers, and his fleet is not spread out, so I should get an adjusted value of 28 torpedos here. which reduces my damage to 4, or 2 torpedo frigate losses.

20 F 64 L Whoha takes 44 damage
Here fighters are doubled for no reason apparently, I should take 10 more damage

40 L 16 T Geomodder takes 24 damage
whats wrong here is that while lasers to beat torpedos, therefore doubling the 8 to 16 for geo, it gets halved by my spread. this should be 40L to 8T, Geo takes 32 damage

Whoha lost 11TF, 10FF, 10 LF: Geomodder lost 2 TD, 2LC

Losses are incorrectly calculated for both of us. I lose 2 torpedo frigates, 10 fighter frigates, and there are 34 points of damage to be distributed(I lose 16 frigates from the pool of 22.) If losses are divided equally I lose 8 of my 12 TFs and 8 of my 10 LFs bringing me down to 4 TF,2LF. Geo loses both of his torpedo dreadnaughts, and the rest of the damage should be halved to 2 laser cruiser losses and 1 fighter dreadnaught loss.

Raw Data(Round 2):
Whoha Geo
3 T 8 F
0 L 8 F
0 F 0 T
the new data should be:
4T 4F
2L 4F
0F 0T


Adjusted Data:
1.5 T 16 F
0 L 8 F
0 F 0 T
from the raw data being wrong this is wrong.
4 16F I take 12 damage
16 8F Geo takes 8 damage, killing his remaining Fighter Dreadnaught.
0F 0T


So as it turns out Geo does survive with 1 laser dreadnaught to show for it, damn me for catching that fighter error, but I'm pretty sure that with Geo's life on the line he'd have found it.

Also I did only spend 14 BP last turn, so I should have 16 BP this turn.

	01-09-2004 06:39									#59
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Psst... you're not supposed to give a first time GM so many battles to resolve!

	01-09-2004 07:19									#60
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You are right, I thought that it was an offensive bonus, not a defensive one. That means that I F'd up all the combat, cuz I was consistent through the combats with this. I will make the corrections in the morning...when i can see straight. (or I'll change the rules to make it an offensive bonus). I almost tried to change that part to make it more like fighters.