31-08-2004 02:27									#91
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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui quote: They went after Specter hard as we all know It seems the Dems are trying with Zell. They want him out and if he was running for Senate this year, I'm sure they'd try to get a more 'Democratic' candidate.

Certainly the party would try to get someone who voted with the republicans less than 90% of the time in their column.

	31-08-2004 02:29									#92
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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui Oh jeez, another one of these black Republicans are Uncle Tom idiots . You guys are almost as bad as Malevolent Light who claims there is only one way to be a Republican. Hell, you are WORSE, saying there is only one way to be a black person. You are racists of the worst kind.

Could not agree more.

	31-08-2004 02:30									#93
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quote: Originally posted by DinoDoc What's the difference between that and the scorn heaped upon Blue Dog Democrats, Guy? We've seen an example of this in this very thread.

Don't ask me. Try a Democrat.

	31-08-2004 02:47									#94
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Ann Coulter as a write in.


That way you can replace the American eagle on coins, flags, memorabilia et cetera, with a homegrown American harpy.


'I am foreign scum and I am trying to influence this poll like I do your elections with my leftist anti-american agenda.'

MalevolentLight


Yes, M.L., this is Comrade Vladimir Mao Minh Castro Bloom reporting for neighbourhood destabilization duty.

I shall be introducing a range of psychotropic drugs into the water supply of the Nedaverse, so that all 'Poly's right wing voters end up voting for Ralph Nader, under the impression that he's Richard Nixon come back to life.


You should have your own show- the theme tune could be, oh, John Birch Blues?

	31-08-2004 03:05									#95
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quote: Originally posted by MalevolentLight I've met the kind before they swear up and down they're republicans because they agree with a couple of republican issues, but when you get right down to it they're about as liberal as they come.

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	31-08-2004 03:36									#96
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Excuse me but when did I say their was only one way to be black, any individual can have any political persuasion they wish. Its the use of minority candidates by the Republican party that I find objectionable. Puting out a prominent minority candidate that hold views 180 degrees from what the magority of their group express is a blatant atempt at exploiting both them and the general publics ignorance.

When people with no political knowlage see Condelesa Rice they will asume because of her gender and race that she is more moderate then she realy is and thus the administration is moderate and inclusive of minorities and the isshues they care for. This couldn't be further from the truth and the maintance of the lie depends on people ignorance and predjidice. The Black republicans ofcorse want this to happen their republicans after all anything thats good for the party is desirable so they are eager for it. Their not Uncle Tom or any such thing, its the atempt to project a false image which I find detestable, not the idea that someone is a "traitor" or a "sell out".

And as I pointed out Minorities arn't fooled by the trick, blacks supported Gore 90% vs a Republican president with not one 2 blacks in the highest levels of goverment. So if republicans are not trying or atleast not succeding at tricking blacks themselves into voting Republican who are they trying to trick. Moderate whites ofcorse, ones who care about racial integration and would be turned off by signs of overt bigotry (unfortunatly these same individuals may not be savy enough to actualy do the reserach to realize whats underneath). Democrates stand by their long record of support for civil rights and afirmitive action, its whats on the inside that counts for them. In contrast the republican party simply tries to make itself LOOK like the people who wont vote for them. Black conservatives are intentialy pushed to the forfront and apointed to prominent positions to maximize their visability.

As people catch on to the tactic and learn to judge people as individuals and not make asumptions about their politicas from their skin color the tactic will be incressingly less effective, in the meantime Republicans are simply exploiting prejidice to mislead people as to their political intents.

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	31-08-2004 03:39									#97
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The purpose of trotting out tokens in the GOP isn't to fool minorities. It's to fool Republicans into thinking they really aren't racists. Black Republicans complain constatly of being ignored until campaign season, at which time they're trotted out to prove how inclusive the party is. After the election, they're told to go shut up again. Most white folks, even Republicans, will not vote for a party which is openly racist.

	31-08-2004 03:39									#98
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I said Republican and No.

I said republican because Libertarian wasn't an option, and last time I voted for a D or R, it was a straight R ticket.

	31-08-2004 03:42									#99
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quote: Originally posted by chegitz guevara It's to fool Republicans into thinking they really aren't racists.

We hold Klan meetings out of the sight of the camera to hide that fact.

	31-08-2004 05:03									#100
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I REFUSE to vote in any poll that lacks a true 'banana' option. I mean what the heck is going on here?!?

However I didn't think of that until after I voted.

"The purpose of trotting out tokens in the GOP isn't to fool minorities. It's to fool Republicans into thinking they really aren't racists. Black Republicans complain constatly of being ignored until campaign season, at which time they're trotted out to prove how inclusive the party is. After the election, they're told to go shut up again. Most white folks, even Republicans, will not vote for a party which is openly racist."

What a crock. Condi decides if she runs and individuals decide if they vote for her, which I would, provided she's pro life. Powell would be pres right now if he wanted to be and if the chads voted the same way.

	31-08-2004 07:07									#101
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quote: No he's one of those wishy washy socialist republicans that the senate seems to have alot of. He claims he's a republican but in reality he's really a liberal with an identity crisis. I've met the kind before they swear up and down they're republicans because they agree with a couple of republican issues, but when you get right down to it they're about as liberal as they come.

what do you define as a liberal?

and have you chickened out of the small debate we were having?

	31-08-2004 07:35									#102
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quote: Originally posted by chegitz guevara The purpose of trotting out tokens in the GOP isn't to fool minorities. It's to fool Republicans into thinking they really aren't racists. Black Republicans complain constatly of being ignored until campaign season, at which time they're trotted out to prove how inclusive the party is. After the election, they're told to go shut up again. Most white folks, even Republicans, will not vote for a party which is openly racist.

So appoint black people to the Supreme COurt, the Sec. of State, and the NSA is ignoring them?

The Republican Party establishment did not go after Specter BTW. The Toomey campaign was led by right-wing insurgents actively fighting the establishment. THe GOP tolerates dissent.

	31-08-2004 07:43									#103
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quote: Originally posted by Shi Huangdi THe GOP tolerates dissent.

	31-08-2004 08:07									#104
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Then how do you explain the party leadership backing Specter over Toomey?

	31-08-2004 08:39									#105
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quote: Originally posted by chegitz guevara

I have something like that in my sig, too

	31-08-2004 08:41									#106
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in some ways the GoP tolerates more disent than the Dems, in other ways less

overall it is up for grabs

Jon Miller

	31-08-2004 09:16									#107
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quote: Puting out a prominent minority candidate that hold views 180 degrees from what the magority of their group express is a blatant atempt at exploiting both them and the general publics ignorance.

Condi Rice holds views 180 degrees from George Bush? Colin Powell holds views 180 degrees from Bob Dole or Bush, Sr? Please!

quote: So if republicans are not trying or atleast not succeding at tricking blacks themselves into voting Republican who are they trying to trick.

No one perhaps? They are simply appointing the best person for the job, whether he or she is black or white. Rice isn't the NSA advisor because she is black. Powell is SecState because he is black. If you say their race was the reason they got their positions then you are highly ignorant about their histories.

quote: Democrates stand by their long record of support for civil rights and afirmitive action, its whats on the inside that counts for them. In contrast the republican party simply tries to make itself LOOK like the people who wont vote for them.

So you are saying that Democrats stand by their long record of support for civil rights and affirmative action by not appointing any minorities to leadership positions (yes, there are a few in Congress, but not that many at all)? That's really showing how much they are the party of minorities.

Democrats take the minority vote for granted. They know that they can pay lip service to civil rights and do some scare mongering about the Republicans and get blacks to come out in droves to vote for them. Of course they don't want to put blacks in position of power... that's just too much for them!! Democrats just take blacks for granted. Republicans actually put qualified blacks in powerful positions.

Perhaps Democrats are more in line with black interests, but you wouldn't know it from the looks of their leadership. Could you imagine telling, say women, that don't worry about leadership positions, we know what you want?

	31-08-2004 09:19									#108
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So wait, Imran...who exactly, if you had a choice, would be the person running on the Republican ticket?

EDT: besides yourself

	31-08-2004 09:22									#109
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Out of anyone? I like McCain... but if Powell wanted to run, I'd definetly back him.

I do like Condi though. She is very smart and I think she may do foriegn policy more like Bush, Sr. (for whom she was "his woman on Russia") than W Bush. I don't know anything about her domestic policies though.

	31-08-2004 09:24									#110
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i really wish mccain would leave and start a fiscally conservative, socially lib party

	31-08-2004 09:31									#111
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He'd never get reelected to the Senate, which is what it comes down to.

	31-08-2004 09:32									#112
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quote: Originally posted by MalevolentLight People openly professing they are communists need not post here since you don't believe in voting.

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	31-08-2004 09:32									#113
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quote: Originally posted by MRT144 i really wish mccain would leave and start a fiscally conservative, socially lib party

The problem is that McCain ISN'T socially liberal. I think many people are confused about who McCain really is. He is pretty conservative socially.

	31-08-2004 09:35									#114
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He's not much of a social conservative compared to Bush and co, though.

	31-08-2004 09:36									#115
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exactly. I mean he isnt trying to ram god down our throat

	31-08-2004 18:05									#116
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quote: Originally posted by Jaguar He's not much of a social conservative compared to Bush and co, though.

He's still completely pro-life, pro-2nd amendment, anti- gay marriage.