01-09-2004 22:36									#91
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quote: Originally posted by Kidicious Two reasons why I disagree. One, your family tends to be much more controling.

Just have to give this a considering the source and what he would have the state mandate for us.

	01-09-2004 22:41									#92
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quote: Originally posted by Flubber Sure and when you live in a commuity of 500 people, its pretty easy to get a rejection letter from everyone in town.

Then obviously there aren't enough jobs for everyone. Why are you saying there are?

quote: I guess I questioned the desire of that 11%. When I was willing to take almost any job, my job search never took beyond a week. .. That was the experience of most of my friends as well. The "retention" rate on the unemployment rolls was incredible as there were people that would be on there year after year after year. It became institutionalized. The funniest example was when a full time year round job came up in a very small community that had something like a 70% unemployment rate. They had ZERO applications.

There could be all kinds of reasons why they recieved no applications. The idea that no one in that town want's to work is incredible. In fact, it's incredible that there were no applications filed. Both of us should know, as people who have been in the job market, that there are plenty of people looking for work. Only in cases where the unemployment rate is very low and the wage also very low will employers have trouble finding employees. The following is a general rule in capitalism; Jobs

	01-09-2004 22:43									#93
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quote: Originally posted by Flubber Just have to give this a considering the source and what he would have the state mandate for us.

Knock that crap off already! Your acting juvenile.

	01-09-2004 22:46									#94
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The following is a general rule in capitalism; Jobs
For some reason the last part is not showing up in one of my posts.

	01-09-2004 22:47									#95
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I can't fix that I guess.

How about this. There are less jobs than employees.

	01-09-2004 22:49									#96
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quote: Originally posted by chegitz guevara Right to Work is code for Employed at will, meaning you have no defense against being terminated with or without cause without notice, though if you quit without notice you'll get blacklisted. In the civilized world, companies must show valid cause to get rid of an employee.

Actually, the truly civilized world recognizes the right of association, even in the workplace, and that the job belongs to he who created it, not he who is hired to fill it.

I've seen the requirement for valid cause in action, and it can be an ugly, ugly thing to behold.

	01-09-2004 22:51									#97
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quote: I was just pointing out that it's true that individualism can and sometimes (or maybe the majority of times) precludes support from the family.

True, but I'm sure your dad would say that families should assist each other if the need arises.

quote: I wonder, since my dad went to law school at a public university (UVA) would you count that as support from the state?

No, but you raise an interesting question, given the fact that his tuition will not cover the costs of his education.

Loans I think would be different.

	01-09-2004 22:55									#98
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quote: Originally posted by Kidicious Then obviously there aren't enough jobs for everyone. Why are you saying there are? .

My experience came in two kinds of places. One was tiny communities where there were not enough jobs. There would be two major employers

1. a fish plant that would be open a few weeks
2. Government make work

Unemployment rates in those places was usually above 50% but the system made it economic for people to stay in the small communities.


The second type was in the larger Canadian towns. Those were the places where I never found a problem getting a job. Got it now ?

QUOTE] Originally posted by Kidicious
EDIT --kids whole quote did not appear properly-- must have somethign to do with that greater than sign



There could be all kinds of reasons why they recieved no applications. The idea that no one in that town want's to work is incredible. In fact, it's incredible that there were no applications filed. Both of us should know, as people who have been in the job market, that there are plenty of people looking for work. Only in cases where the unemployment rate is very low and the wage also very low will employers have trouble finding employees. The following is a general rule in capitalism; Jobs


ME--

This was in a tiny community where the entire work force was probably something like 100 people. The reality was that people were comfortable with the system . They knew that a combination of the fishery and make work would get them all qualified for unemployment insurance . My brother-in-law was a teacher there and he spoke to a few people asking why they didn't apply. The reasons for the men were usually something about not wanting to spoil their hunting plans or their snowmobile excursion. The women had reasons basically relating to not wanting to upset a very settled lifestyle ( have time to cook supper every day, interfere with planned trip, Grandma coming to visit)

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quote: Originally posted by Kidicious Knock that crap off already! Your acting juvenile.

How so?? I just find it funny that he who advocates state control is so negative on possible controlling influences of a "family"-- Wouldn't this collective make better decisions than an individual?

	01-09-2004 23:11									#100
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quote: Originally posted by Solomwi Actually, the truly civilized world recognizes the right of association, even in the workplace, and that the job belongs to he who created it, not he who is hired to fill it. I've seen the requirement for valid cause in action, and it can be an ugly, ugly thing to behold.

Here you always can fire someone (exception for union environments), its just that you might have to give them some pay in lieu of notice. If you have cause, you owe them nothing.

IN a union environmnet it can almost become impossible to get rid of a bad employee . When I worked retail I saw some stark examples of this. JUst awful employees who had seniority and worked the rules.

	01-09-2004 23:20									#101
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In California you must not be enrolled in school and you must be available and willing to work a full 40 hours per week. If you anwser no to any of the above then they tell you to f*ck off!

	01-09-2004 23:33									#102
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****, at least in Florida you can go to school while on unemployment.

Hey, Flubber. What the hell did all those people do with all their freetime?

	01-09-2004 23:45									#103
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quote: Originally posted by Flubber How so?? I just find it funny that he who advocates state control is so negative on possible controlling influences of a "family"-- Wouldn't this collective make better decisions than an individual?

You have continually misrepresented me on this issue, and several people have complained. You seem to be taking a page out of Hitlers theory on propaganda.

And I could say that I find it funny that someone who advocates individualism is so high on family control over the individual.

	02-09-2004 00:09									#104
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quote: Originally posted by Ben Kenobi True, but I'm sure your dad would say that families should assist each other if the need arises.

He may support someone else, but he wouldn't necessarily accept support from someone else. As I said, individualism can very well preclude family support.

	02-09-2004 00:20									#105
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quote: He may support someone else, but he wouldn't necessarily accept support from someone else.

That's different from someone who says that there should be no familial or state support. Quite different.

	02-09-2004 00:25									#106
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Here we go again.

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(and for the record, Kid, no one is misrepresenting you. In fact, I'm not sure anyone knows for sure just WHAT you believe, since it seems to change moment-to-moment, making it exponentially more difficult TO misrepresent)

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quote: Originally posted by Ben Kenobi That's different from someone who says that there should be no familial or state support. Quite different.

I'm not claiming he's against other people giving such support. I'm saying that individualism can and does preclude that support. Since not everyone is individualist, or individualist to the same degree, this obviously does not mean that there is NO such support.

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quote: Originally posted by Velociryx Here we go again.

Yes, here we go again. You two seem determined to continue this in other threads. I wish you wouldn't and I'm sure others don't like to see it either. In fact I know many of them don't, because they have expressed that. If you want to make your own thread, and pursue this ridiculousness I don't care, but I think you should stay away from it in other threads.

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You just keep leading us right to the stream, Kid...

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	02-09-2004 00:32									#110
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quote: Originally posted by Kidicious You have continually misrepresented me on this issue, and several people have complained. You seem to be taking a page out of Hitlers theory on propaganda. And I could say that I find it funny that someone who advocates individualism is so high on family control over the individual.

Two things

1.Who complained about me? When?I've never intentionally misrepresented you.
2.I said nothing about my views on family.

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I'm done contributing to your threadjacks. You guys know what your doing, and so does everybody else. I won't post in this thread, because I don't want it to degenerate. I hope you two won't do this in the future.

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(Aside to Flubber),
You obviously didn't get the memo, good sir...pointing out blatantly obvious paradoxical positions and calling the person on it (or even calling it into question) = "misrepresentation" Expect a member of the People's Re-education Authority to be along shortly to straighten you out...

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EDIT: Hope we won't do what again? Show up? Call you on your BS? Both?

	02-09-2004 00:38									#113
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quote: Originally posted by chegitz guevara . Hey, Flubber. What the hell did all those people do with all their freetime?

Many of the women took on traditional housewives roles while the men tended to cut wood (for home heating or sale, hunt, fish, trap, maintain a small vegetable garden. Also, families tended to be large LOL. I wasn't in that particular community much but I lived in a slightly larger one . .. the "underground" economy was huge. Lots of unreported income (the guy cutting and selling wood or the ones engaged as commercial fishermen but paid cash)

	02-09-2004 00:50									#114
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quote: Originally posted by Kidicious I'm done contributing to your threadjacks. You guys know what your doing, and so does everybody else. I won't post in this thread, because I don't want it to degenerate. I hope you two won't do this in the future.

What the hell are you talking about?

I have posted in this thread a bunch of times, mainly because I grew up in an area of "high unemployment" and saw the effects of institutionalized government dependency. It wasn't pretty. When you see a 21 year old tell you he's "on UI" and he doesn't seem predisposed to do anything about it. When you have a cousin explain to you how a full time courseload is misguided since you can collect UI if you go part-time. When a person won't move away from an area of higher unemployment because then they would need more weeks of work to qualify . .. .

That I saw something funny in something you said was an aside but so we don't burden others, I would be pleased to receive a PM from you kidicious indicating where I misrepresented you. While I enjoy teasing you and poking holes in your theories, I do want to understand opposing arguments so please please let me know where this misrepresentation by me took place.

And please be specific. You obviously must be certain on this point since you did say "You seem to be taking a page out of Hitlers theory on propaganda."

	02-09-2004 02:00									#115
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I just found out you aren't allowed to ignore moderators. That's bunk.

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quote: Originally posted by Kidicious I just found out you aren't allowed to ignore moderators. That's bunk.

Why? Its private property so the owners can set any rules they want. If you don't like it, you don't have to come here.

	14-09-2004 04:56									#117
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Well, the start up I work for just blew up. I will be getting in line to sign up for unemployment too. On the bright side, I won't be travelling very much any more....

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Sorry to hear it, pchang.

	14-09-2004 05:35									#119
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Yeah, but I'm actually in pretty decent shape to ride this out. If I'm still out of work next year, it will be time to worry.