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Natalinasmpf
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Again, this might be an old idea, but I have thought some of some secret project revisions, in the future, should SMAC's source code be released to the public, so we can improvise...*hopefully*
We can still fantasise, still (and I also know some of these can be implemented via alphax.txt, but the problem is that some of them cannot, and they may go awry without each other):
Doublethink Perfection Project: The equivalent of immunity to the bad effects of fundamentalist political choice and knowledge value choice. Mind control vulnerability halved without thought control, immunity to mind control with thought control implemented. However, other probe choices are unaffected, unless you have other SP's which affect other aspects.
Based around the idea of George Orwell's 1984, where people could be follow Big Brother personality cults (somehwat like fundamentalist) yet excel at science...and excel at science without losing too much loyalty.
Revision: Hunter-Seeker Algorithm. +50% defense (not attack) to probe teams. No longer immune to enemy probe teams, but success of probe teams cut in half (or thirds?). All bases receive +1 probe rating. This is also only a software initiative, like Norton Antivirus (but much better since its pre-sentient), with possible loopholes, so mind control isn't that much affected, except difficulty (I mean, its hard to pass propaganda to people where information flow has been monitored, right?)
Bear this in mind that I want these to be implemented only after the probe rollover bug has been fixed. Also Miriam would receive +2 probe, and the threshold for immunity to mind control will be raised to +4 probe. (Also considering giving robust/immunity to knowledge for Angels anyway).
CBA revision: Maintenence for Aerospace Complexes cut to zero. However, You still have to build Aerospace Complexes at half price (or one third?). +1 fuel and +1 morale to air units anyway, on top.
Command Nexus revision: In addition to its original effect, all land troops now receive +50% for base defence instead of +25%. Basically, the command nexus makes bases virtual bunkers.
Someone gave the idea of moving hologram theatres and Virtual World to Optical Computers. Good idea.
Longevity Vaccine revision: free market effect, I'm thinking of raising it to +100% or +150% ECON instead of just +50%.
Nethack Terminus: Revision...thinking of moving it to Advanced Military Algorithms, and reducing its cost to 300.
Aquifier Paradigm: Prerequisite is Adv. Ecological Engineering - rivers now give you +1 mineral and +1 energy, and raise and lower costs are halved.
Hmm, I'll think of more later.
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Natalinasmpf
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Well, it is fantasising.....
Actually I was interested in finding out how people thought about the Doublethink SP and the revision of the HSA.
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WotanAnubis
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Personally, I think the Bulk Matter Transmitter needs to get an overhaul. I mean, "+2 Minerals in every base"? 2 to 4 Nessus Mining Stations will take care of that _and_ they're cheaper.
Of course, I don't know how it should be revised, but in keeping with its theme, perhaps it could be "Counts as a Psi Gate in every base".
I don't know if that'll make it over- or underpowered, though.
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Natalinasmpf
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Currently, intended or not...Bulk Matter Transmitter also gives a +50% mineral output benefit to each base as well....
Yeah, but I think its a bug, so yeah, it should count as a Psi Gate in every base.
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Doublethink is the method by which a person and hold two contradictory statements to be both true and false. When one is required to believe the first statement, one can simply pull it from memory, forget the second statement, and forget the act of remembering the first and forgetting the second. Visa versa when one is required to believe the second statement. And one can simply swap between the two statements or ideas without conscious knowledge of doing so.
In terms of the SP described, it would allow advancement of scientific knowledge even when such knowledge has been officially banned or altered (like gravity doesn't exist or some silly notion) by the government because the good doublethink scientist would hold both ideas to be true and false at the same time. He'd know the 'truth' when he's in public, denouncing the evils of science, but know the truth when applying it something practical within his own lab.
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WotanAnubis
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Originally posted by Natalinasmpf
The flaws of capitalism?  |
Provided we're talking about the Longevity Vaccine... not really.
You see, in a Planned economy, the vaccine would probably be distributed (almost) freely by the government, which would make a lot of people happy (or less angry, if you prefer).
Simple and Green economies won't go quite as far, but would make sure that the price would be affordable for pretty much everyone.
In a Free Market, however, the vaccine probably gets sold by some corporation, who obviously try to make a profit out of it and since the vaccine is such a valuable commodity they can demand a high price and still have lots of people buy it. This does not tend to make regular people happy, but it does make money.
So... I wouldn't exactly call it a "flaw" of capitalism, but more of a... err... characteristic.
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Natalinasmpf
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Its in a flaw in the sense, the effect is considerably less. I mean, a lot more people being happy is worth more than just making a profit, even if its considerable, noting of course the profit is limited.
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Simple and Green economies won't go quite as far, but would make sure that the price would be affordable for pretty much everyone.
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I'm thinking its not just a "angry or happy" thing, but that it helps ease healthcare concerns, improve living conditions and raises the education level.
Noting that drones not only result due to sentiment, but for example, many children get sick so they cannot keep up, drop out of school, etc.
Okay, just another observation.
I think optical computers should have another benefit. Previously before then , network nodes should increase by 35%, not 50%. With optical computers, this is restored to 50%.
This also helps delay some of the severe, almost too much technological advantage the Uni has.
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Natalinasmpf
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Were to lose?
Why wasn't it implemented?
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Natalinasmpf
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Also drone control is pretty easy with ICS |
Eh doesn't it increase?
I imagine by the time you hit 100+ bases, you get 20 superdrones at every base...(noting that it never gets more than base size), but still...
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Ari Rahikkala
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Unreported loss of streaming in atomic read operation
Oct 1999
time: 07:36
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quote:
Originally posted by WotanAnubis
You see, in a Planned economy, the vaccine would probably be distributed (almost) freely by the government, which would make a lot of people happy (or less angry, if you prefer). |
Actually... in SMAC terms I would prefer something like "socially better performing". It's not that drones are angry at your or something like that - it's just that they're poor, uneducated, outside health care, having to resort to crime, etc.. Or then they're just angry, like in the case of pacifism with a low police rating. It's not like the creators of the game never confused moods and social statuses...
(note: The first person who replies to this post in a way that includes, in any way, leftist and rightist politics, will be promptly shot by yours truly)
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Natalinasmpf
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Drones = discontent
Talents = well contented, so contented, that in fact, they neutralise any damaging effect a drone's discontent has on stability through their influence.
Discontent comes through many ways. Lack of a longevity vaccine for good health is one.
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WotanAnubis
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Originally posted by Ari Rahikkala
Actually... in SMAC terms I would prefer something like "socially better performing". It's not that drones are angry at your or something like that - it's just that they're poor, uneducated, outside health care, having to resort to crime, etc.. |
True. I just placed "angry" and "happy" as quick little short-cuts.
Of course, Drones generally are angry, otherwise they wouldn't be rioting. And the Recreation Commons (and even more so, the Hologram Theatre) provide entertainment for Drones, making them less angry, but still just as poor, uneducated and sick as they were before.
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Natalinasmpf
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BUT Hologram Theatres can be a good education medium, thus funding towards education (vested in Psych) is more effective.
I honestly think SP Psych effects should not be lumped into something called "Secret Projects". For example, the Longevity Vaccine only reduces health problems, and not pacifism. Whereas Hologram Theatres can brainwash more. Or stuff like that.
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Natalinasmpf
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How often do you go to the movies to be educated? |
I'm thinking of the Hologram Theatre not only as a cinema like thing, but with proper psych and welfare funding, it will eventually manifest itself in schools and homes, hence educate. As a smaller version though.
I mean, it will bring Discovery Channel-like documentaries, right? And schools will eventually harness it like they do with normal TV's and such.
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