07-09-2004 01:00									#151
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	07-09-2004 01:02									#152
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quote: Originally posted by Ben Kenobi And I believe in God, so wouldn't the honest thing to do would be to confess to him?

No it is not honest as there is no god.

	07-09-2004 01:09									#153
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Leaving aside the reality of God for now.

I believe in God, therefore, would it not be honest for me to confess my sins to him?

	07-09-2004 01:10									#154
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No because you are confessing to a false figure. Shall I confess to a plastic toy because I think it controls the world?

	07-09-2004 01:12									#155
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quote: Shall I confess to a plastic toy because I think it controls the world?

No, because that would be idolatry. The plastic toy is the work of men's hands, and cannot save as the living God can.

If you are not willing to leave aside the reality of God, then we can debate that.

But here I thought you wanted all religious bigotry out of the thread.

	07-09-2004 01:13									#156
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quote: Originally posted by Ben Kenobi No, because that would be idolatry. The plastic toy is the work of men's hands, and cannot save as the living God can. If you are not willing to leave aside the reality of God, then we can debate that. But here I thought you wanted all religious bigotry out of the thread.

Well god is a figment of the human imagination so it isn't any different.

Anyways, I don't really care... do what you want.

	07-09-2004 01:18									#157
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quote: Well god is a figment of the human imagination so it isn't any different.

If God is based only on the human imagination, why don't we make someone softer and more cuddlier?

	07-09-2004 01:19									#158
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quote: Originally posted by Ben Kenobi If God is based only on the human imagination, why don't we make someone softer and more cuddlier?

How should I know?

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quote: If God is based only on the human imagination, why don't we make someone softer and more cuddlier?

Have you ever heard of S&M?

	07-09-2004 01:35									#160
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quote: Have you ever heard of S&M?

So Christians get pleasure from pain?

	07-09-2004 01:38									#161
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quote: Originally posted by Ben Kenobi If God is based only on the human imagination, why don't we make someone softer and more cuddlier?

Since when do you envision leaders as "soft and cuddly"? Would you like a "soft and cuddly" leader?

	07-09-2004 01:44									#162
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quote: So Christians get pleasure from pain?

Well, I was saying that in jest, but human subconscious psychological needs aren't just cuddling and love. Plus, it does have that all "reality" thing to tackle. How much can you say that God is loveable, plushy, and pink, when your mom died, and your dad is high and pimps you out for smack (using a hyperbole here).

It's false to analyze religion on a personal level without always keeping in mind the societal context.

	07-09-2004 01:49									#163
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quote: It's false to analyze religion on a personal level without always keeping in mind the societal context.

Who said I'm looking at just myself?

It's something that many have complained, that God seems too distant, and that they do want someone, as I put it, softer and more cuddlier.

quote: Since when do you envision leaders as "soft and cuddly"? Would you like a "soft and cuddly" leader?

If the leader is one you are to be held accountable to, I think we all would desire someone more tolerant and lenient.

	07-09-2004 01:53									#164
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quote: Plus, it does have that all "reality" thing to tackle. How much can you say that God is loveable, plushy, and pink, when your mom died, and your dad is high and pimps you out for smack

And that is just what I am trying to say. God is not all loveable or cuddly. People want a God that is more loveable and cuddly, for the reasons that you have stated here.

They see injustice, and cruelty, and all kinds of suffering in the world, and they wonder how God can be merciful if he permits such suffering to occur.

What we forget is that our time here on earth is so short. The bad will not last forever.

	07-09-2004 01:55									#165
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quote: Originally posted by Ben Kenobi If the leader is one you are to be held accountable to, I think we all would desire someone more tolerant and lenient.

I would assume you see most "pagan" gods as figments of men's imagination- how many of them were "cute and cuddly"?

Man creates in his own image.

	07-09-2004 02:11									#166
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quote: I would assume you see most "pagan" gods as figments of men's imagination- how many of them were "cute and cuddly"?

Do I? No. I think they have some part of God in them, some awakening and understanding of his nature, and his reality.

This is why people like Plato, find their ideas rather compatible, (though not entirely,) with Christianity.

quote: Man creates in his own image.

And where does his own image come from?

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quote: And that is just what I am trying to say. God is not all loveable or cuddly. People want a God that is more loveable and cuddly, for the reasons that you have stated here. They see injustice, and cruelty, and all kinds of suffering in the world, and they wonder how God can be merciful if he permits such suffering to occur. What we forget is that our time here on earth is so short. The bad will not last forever.

O-kay.....

	07-09-2004 02:37									#168
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Hey! who let the religious freaks in

	07-09-2004 02:39									#169
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quote: Originally posted by Ben Kenobi And where does his own image come from?

I think usually a mirror, reflections in water, photographs, paintings, drawings, et cetera.


It's this weird ability called 'sight' which the majority of humanity (and quite a lot of animals) possess.


'This is why people like Plato, find their ideas rather compatible, (though not entirely,) with Christianity. '


Obi Gyn




Err, a tad difficile that one:



Plato : 428-348 B.C.


Christianity: quite a bit after Plato was dead.

	07-09-2004 02:41									#170
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Hey Ben - Denise told me she would come and see you today - but only if you get off this thread.

	07-09-2004 02:48									#171
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Horse you shouldn't get credit for this troll action.

I mean anyone could have done it, it takes no skill. You could have let one of the junior trolls handle it.

I have to admit it's pretty fun though.

	07-09-2004 02:50									#172
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This is my thread, and it has become too serious. My threads or threads I ruin are meant to be fruity.

	07-09-2004 03:01									#173
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it's not your thread Fez, you are its poodle

	07-09-2004 03:16									#174
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quote: Originally posted by GePap Would you like a "soft and cuddly" leader?

www.jesusbeanies.com

	07-09-2004 05:26									#175
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With those brown lips that guy looks like one of Fez's buddies

	07-09-2004 05:30									#176
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quote: Originally posted by Ben Kenobi And where does his own image come from?

Natural selection.

	07-09-2004 05:33									#177
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Are the mods on strike these days?

	07-09-2004 05:33									#178
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quote: Originally posted by Ted Striker Horse you shouldn't get credit for this troll action.

I've pretty much retired from fulltime trolling but I do like to make the occasional guest appearances like at the hall of fame dinner etc.

	07-09-2004 05:35									#179
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quote: Denise told me she would come and see you today - but only if you get off this thread.

Then you must also know her last name...

	07-09-2004 05:36									#180
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quote: Hey! who let the religious freaks in

Just showing you have to really troll Fez.