07-09-2004 13:32									#1
	Civil War in EU2? Suffering from ads?

Mmmm. Well, I finally ran into one of these in EU2 a few nights ago and it confused the beejeesus out of me.
Playing as Venice (one of my favourite nations now) I'd done moderately well all the way through to the early 18th C, gradually carving bits'n'pieces out of my near neighbours (Austria, Hungary, Hellas, the Ottomans, etc) in mostly defensive wars and setting up a good colony or two in North America + East Asia.
Most recently a huge scrap with France in which I acquired a half-dozen provinces (most of which I promptly released as vassals).
Several years later the nationalism was down in the few I'd kept, stability was back up and everything was looking pretty rosy really - then, out of the blue came a little message at the bottom of the screen and a whole world of popups.
Civil War.
At this point total confusion set in.

The popups indicated about 15-16 CW 'revolts' but only a dozen or so of my provinces were rebel controlled (I found out from the military maintainance screen that about half of my standing army had defected which I guess accounts for the discrepancy).
The really weird thing though was that there wasn't any fighting going on.
Some of my armies were now in rebel-controlled provinces and they just sat there doing nothing.
Rebels in provinces that I still controlled also just sat there doing nothing, similarly for a few provinces inhabited by both rebel armies and my own - nothing. Nobody was fighting and I didn't have the faintest idea what to do about it. Rebel armies that should have been sieging some of my provinces didn't even loot them.
After tweaking sliders and generally spending the next 3 months jockeying around accomplishing pretty much nothing I finally began trying to move some of my inactive armies around to some of my other rebelling provinces - finally they began sieging in an attempt to take it back!
This was all well and good so I eventually redeployed my entire force to try and take back the provinces I could reach that weren't inhabited by rebel armies.
Something like 9 months later (ie: about a year after the event fired) the rebels finally began doing something (ie: sieging provinces I still controlled and fighting my armies when present) so I had to redeploy again to meet them.

Is this how its supposed to work or did I just hit a rather strange bump?

I've never encountered rebels before that just didn't want to fight.

As it turned out I didn't end up losing a single province (well there are a few Russian TP's the rebs still hold but I'll get around to those eventually) and nobody else attacked me even after my main army was cut in half. Perhaps the French felt sorry for me?

	07-09-2004 16:34									#2
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Weird, that's all I can say. You must have been "lucky".

	07-09-2004 19:33									#3
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Very strange
Of strange things, once my navy got "stuck" in a battle on south Baltic shores. It was the longest battle ever, it lasted several decades it finally ended. I don't know what was that.
Similarily, in certain circumstances, I think it was when Your defeated army wishes to board a ship and You're gone and it theoretically can move elsewhere so it is not deleted, your army gets stucked in marching into the ocean and never finishes the journey.

	07-09-2004 19:55									#4
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Had a weird situation early in my current game as Austria. It happened twice too. I sieged Veneto and when I was finished, I was unable to move my army out of the province untill the war was over! I have a suspicion that a bug made the game treat the movement out of the Veneto province as a movement over a strait...

	07-09-2004 21:19									#5
	Re: Civil War in EU2? Support Apolyton, buy Civilization III: Complete

quote: Originally posted by ravagon Some of my armies were now in rebel-controlled provinces and they just sat there doing nothing. Rebels in provinces that I still controlled also just sat there doing nothing, similarly for a few provinces inhabited by both rebel armies and my own - nothing. Nobody was fighting and I didn't have the faintest idea what to do about it. Rebel armies that should have been sieging some of my provinces didn't even loot them. ....... Is this how its supposed to work or did I just hit a rather strange bump?

Its a bug. Your armies don't recognize the change until you move them.

	13-09-2004 11:06									#6
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quote: Originally posted by Nikolai Had a weird situation early in my current game as Austria. It happened twice too. I sieged Veneto and when I was finished, I was unable to move my army out of the province untill the war was over! I have a suspicion that a bug made the game treat the movement out of the Veneto province as a movement over a strait...

I think on of the beta's made straits all around Veneto.