07-09-2004 14:49									#1
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If you initiate a war by attacking an enemy unit that is inside your territory, who is considered the aggressor for WW purposes?

In SP its obvious - you can demand a unit leave your territory and if they don't they have to declare war, but in MP its not too clear to me as there is no "Leave or declare war" option.

	07-09-2004 21:38									#2
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I think the "Leave or Declare War" option is still adviable in multiplayer.

	07-09-2004 22:01									#3
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It's not.

If you're attacked on your territory then you get the WW happiness bonus.

	08-09-2004 00:31									#4
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Trip: so you mean if I initiate an attack against an enemy unit in my territory, I get the WW bonus?

	08-09-2004 02:46									#5
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That's correct.

	16-09-2004 13:42									#6
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Well that's interesting.

Is this true in ptw pbem as well?

	21-09-2004 11:33									#7
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This may seem like a silly question......but does the War Happiness bonus only apply if you are in Republic or Democracy, or to all governments?

	21-09-2004 18:25									#8
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Yes, I think. Only govs with WW, anyway.

	21-09-2004 19:41									#9
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Yes, I should have included Feudalism too. Hmmm, so you don't get the War Happiness from being attacked if you are in Monarchy, for instance?

	21-09-2004 19:43									#10
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I don't believe so. I'm fairly certain its only a function (intended or not, I'm not sure) of negative WW.

	21-09-2004 21:55									#11
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War Happiness DOES occur while in Monarchy! I play a mod where Marketplaces do not increase luxury trade, and it is much easier to notice.

	21-09-2004 23:32									#12
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Yes, you recieve War Happiness no matter what government you're in.

	22-09-2004 00:45									#13
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Ok, well I must say that's what I originally thought.

So.....next question is:

If I declare war on Civ A, who has an MPP with Civ B who then is forced to declare war (Civ B being human, but I guess that doesn't matter)......do I get War Happiness from Civ B (again, regardless of Government)?

	22-09-2004 18:45									#15
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And another question:

If the civ receiving the War Happiness is in Monarchy (or another non-WW goverment), will the War Happiness therefore continue at the same level for as long as they remain at war? Since there is no WW for such governments, the logical answer is yes, though this doesn't seem very appropriate for game play purposes.

	22-09-2004 18:48									#16
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Based on experience, WW accumulates all the time. The effects are just not visible in some governments.

	23-09-2004 11:55									#17
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any comments on the earlier question?

quote: So.....next question is: If I declare war on Civ A, who has an MPP with Civ B who then is forced to declare war (Civ B being human, but I guess that doesn't matter)......do I get War Happiness from Civ B (again, regardless of Government)?

	23-09-2004 12:41									#18
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I only know that if I'm dragged back into a war through a MPP, my WW returns, ugly as ever


EDIT: If any war-happiness is handed out, it doesn't look like it ends up with me.

	23-09-2004 22:01									#19
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quote: Originally posted by Aqualung71 If I declare war on Civ A, who has an MPP with Civ B who then is forced to declare war (Civ B being human, but I guess that doesn't matter)......do I get War Happiness from Civ B (again, regardless of Government)?

Government is irrelevant. Declarations of war for anything OTHER THAN
1. use of nukes
2. failed spy mission
... results in negative war weariness points. See CFC- How Does War Weariness Work

So, if there was already war weariness still accumulated with that particular civ (or the 2 exceptions above), you might not experience war Happiness, but will otherwise.

I had not responded before because of the "Civ B being human" clause, which I have NO experience with.

	18-11-2004 10:21									#20
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quote: Originally posted by ZargonX Trip: so you mean if I initiate an attack against an enemy unit in my territory, I get the WW bonus?

Trip: to clarify, if two tribes are at peace and one attacks another's unit that is trespassing, the attacker gets -30 war weariness points (war happiness)? Is this something that's been thoroughly examined in demo games before?

[edit: to clarify further, my question pertains only to PBEM specifically]

	18-11-2004 11:12									#21
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Calculations of wwp:
All starts at 0.
Subtract 30 wwp if the AI attacks you, except when AI is provoked by:
- use of nuclear weapons
- failed spy mission
Anything else? Please tell me if you find something.


This is from Bamspeedy

	19-11-2004 00:43									#22
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Also, if your not playing a govt that's affected by War Werrious, you automaticly get -30 for being at war.