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Pekka
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em seu burro dos pais!
Feb 2002
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The questions about Iraq are kind of not interesting to me as of now, be it what ever view, however I think there is one danger a lot of people are talking about, and that is the thing, that 'everyone who fights in Iraq are terrorists'. How the hell do we know it? We don't know that.
Now, some are terrorists, that we know. To say there are no freedom fighters, well that is weird. Or is the enemy of US always terrorists these days? I find that very dangerous way of thinking. You do know, that the country pulling it's weight around might be another country as well. What if this talk was conducted by China? SO I rather no one makes this mistakes, because it simply just is not true. We don't know if they are all terrorists, because we don't know everyone in there. And the odds are, that there are lot of people fighting there who are not affiliated to terrorists, or are terrorists themselves.
However if people insist calling everyone who fights the US terrorists, please, provide proof, or at least a believable analogy.
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Pekka
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em seu burro dos pais!
Feb 2002
time: 07:24
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And before everyone makes their 'patriotic' comments, I consider knowing the enemy extremely important, because you can't fight an enemy you don't know and get total victory. I support victory in Iraq and I support democratic Iraq and the effort the troops are making and their sacrifices. I just feel their sacrifices shouldn't disappear, if we fail to recognize the true situation there.
As democracies, we can't make the mistake of labelling our enemies wrong. The terrorists we can label terrorist, but not everyone who picks up a gun and shoots are are terrorists. We must know their motivation. If that person picks up a gun because 'I defend Iraq against invador', that person is not a terrorists if he is not heavily affiliated with terrorists in this mission. If it has a political agenda, hey, that makes the the JFK killer terrorist. In our war, we were also called terrorists. Just with a different name, White Bandits. It had the same meaning however.
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Bosh
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Taehan Mingook
Jan 1970
time: 00:24
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Originally posted by Lancer
A secular democracy in the heart of the arab world, the Iraqis living good and enjoying their freedom and rights, |
That's a good one there Lancer. Things've been getting progressively worse for a while now and more and more Iraqi cities are being openly ruled by insurgents, some of whom are setting up more even nastier mini-governments than the old Baathist one.
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American combat deaths over the Summer were 42 in June, 54 in July and 66 in August. |
That's a very distressing trend. For the year after the invasion was completed deaths were at about one a day, and now that US forces are spending more time in bases and less time out patrolling and have completly withdrawn from a good number of cities, combat deaths are DOUBLE the old rate of 1ish/day and the trend seems to be going in the wrong direction.
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the Islamic terrorist culture |
Since when were the Baathists Islamists  The invasion of Iraq has breathed a whole lot of new life into the Islamist movement across the Mid-East and Islamists have far more power in Iraq now than they've had for decades and their power is being consolidated day by day.
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I do see Iraq getting better. |
How so?
Well the problem with your skins is that we haven't been able to develop a unit of measurement that can accurately measure its thickness, those damn microns are just far far far too big.
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Our troops did a damn good job. Now we fight terrorists in our new mission of building a free Iraq. |
Yeah, they're great at destroying conventional armies, but the have virutally no training in nation building, police work etc. etc. and consequently are doing quite badly at that sort of thing.
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I don't think the death rate will climb at all. |
It already is. Its been getting higher every month all summer, and is about double what it was during the first year of occupation.
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One the Iraqi Security Forces get totally online, these elements won't stand a chance. |
American-trained Iraqis have usually refused to fight other Iraqis and have often defected. I don't see this changing in any major way. The same sort of "never used, only dropped once" stuff applies just as it did in Vietnam.
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08-09-2004 08:49
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