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Albert Speer
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Puerile Polemic
Mar 1999
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All rap is is yakkin' to a beat. |
All rock is off-key screeching to distorted guitar riffs.
what's your point?
and what's your stereotype of rappers? what's your popular conception? Is it the flava flav-looking, will smith-acting fun hip hopper rhyming all silly and it's fun for the kids? Is it the thug in a hoodie holding a 9mm? Is it the angry black man in military garb hollering fight the power?
how can all rap be the same when there's at least three (fairly negative) stereotypes of how rappers are?
similiarily, rock has black-wearing hardcore bands with all the loud-ass distorted guitars and screeching about demonic, gothic things; white boy punk bands with all the loud-ass distorted guitars and screeching about how bad conformity is; slow rock bands singing about love and ****.
see, 3 stereotypes too.
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Albert Speer
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Puerile Polemic
Mar 1999
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All rap is is the same damn beat over and over again. |
rap producers have sampled rock, soul, rnb, bebop, jazz, etc.
yet somehow Ghostface Killah rapping off of a Delfonic's song, Common rapping off of a swing jazz sample, Cam'ron rapping off of an altered form of the carmina burana, Erick Sermon rapping off Indian music, and the Clipse rapping off of a digitized, computer-produced bass line sound all the same...?
all rock has are guitars and drums. there's only so many ways to play the guitars and drums before everything sounds the same. At least hip hop, by sampling, has a huge variety of sonic landscapes.
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Whaleboy
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Jan 2003
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there's only so many ways to play the guitars and drums before everything sounds the same
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I've been playing guitar for four or five years now (and the piano for close to 16), pretty progressively I like to think, yet I have merely scratched the surface in terms of style. In terms of the variables affecting sound, the combinations are mind-boggling.
Now, I think sampling is legitimate, as per my argument, however, speaking purely musically, it wouldn't hurt rappers to create their own samples as it were and rap over that. I think that's the next logical progression if rap is to survive, considering mixtures of influences, hopefully it'll become fertile ground for talent muscians, though in my opinion because of the instrumental nature of rock, that will always have the edge in innovation.
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Koyaanisqatsi
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of Maine paupers.
May 1999
time: 00:23
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Originally posted by Whaleboy
Now, I think sampling is legitimate, as per my argument, however, speaking purely musically, it wouldn't hurt rappers to create their own samples as it were and rap over that. I think that's the next logical progression if rap is to survive, considering mixtures of influences, hopefully it'll become fertile ground for talent muscians, though in my opinion because of the instrumental nature of rock, that will always have the edge in innovation. |
I wouldn't go so far as to say it will have an edge in innovation. Sample-based synths are already very close to being able to produce almost any sound an instrument can and have a bunch of other built-in effects on top of that. Honestly, I think that's the direction that hip hop should be heading...while sampling can be used effectively, it doesn't have the flexibility of producing your own sound from scratch.
That being said, my major problem with the (admittedly limited) hip hop I've been exposed to is that the human voice makes a horrible percussive instrument, and it's not much better to listen to as a monotone drone. I'd much rather hear singing (even if it's bad) than either of those, but that seems to be all the majority of hip hop offers.
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Natalinasmpf
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Music should be open source, which will encourage musical innovation and encourages everyone to improvise! Viva la revolution musique communiste!
I detest proprietary music makers.
That also partially explains why I usually don't buy any music (get them for free or else), and save for Les Miserables, nor do I really pirate them either.
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guess it makes sense that you would have no sympathy for the artists being ripped off. |
Of course, destroy the bourgeois capitalists that try to preen money and oppress the masses!
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Azazel - The opiate of the masses |
Irony++
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molly bloom
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Lundenwic
Oct 2001
time: 15:23
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Originally posted by Lonestar
All rap is is yakkin' to a beat.
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So is poetry.
Try reading pretty much any Shakespearean blank verse, and sooner or later, providing you read a long enough sample, you will find yourself unconsciously slipping into the rhythm of his words.
I possess hardly any rap music- I find gangsta rap completely repellent, but then I'm not a big fan of Whitesnake or Iron Maiden either- both within the umbrella genres of rap and heavy metal you will find trite and sexist depictiosn of women and gratuitously sexist lyrics.
On the other hand I possess quite a lot of Velvet Underground's output, and I don't imagine that a lot of the people deploring rap are actually in favour of songs about going to meet a drug dealer, or how lovely shooting up heroin feels.
In terms of artists 'ripping off' other artists because they are allegedly not creative, then a counter example (other than the obvious ones such as nineteenth century classical composers, T. S. Eliot, John Webster, Picasso, Dali, et cetera) I'd point to D. J. Shadow's 'Endtroducing' album which is a huge collage of samples and sounds which is far greater than the sum of its parts.
Similarly, Colourbox released an album in the 80s which liberally sampled the dialogue from 'The Last Starfighter' to humorous effect.
http://www.sherbornehouse.org.uk/op...t_is_theft.html
'All art is theft, they say, but remember, not all theft is art. '
Cinematic theft or, heh heh, 'homage' or 'hommage' It sounds so much more bogus pronounced the French way):
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A particularly relentless cinematic magpie has been Paul Schrader, perhaps inevitably, since he started as a film critic. His movies are filled with references to his favourite foreign directors. 'The Comfort of Strangers' replicates shot after shot from Alain Resnais's 'Last Year at Marienbad'; Mishima drips with quotes from Japanese cinema, and Patty Hearst with nods to Ozu and Carl Dreyer. Many of them remain grafted on, not fully integrated into Schrader's own directorial tics and tropes, but they do make his movies a very rewarding form of train-spotting for movie snobs.
The worst offenders are those who simply import the patina of Euro-sophistication to enhance their own threadbare intellectual credentials.
There is Brian De Palma, who thinks his dimwitted movies can be enlivened by references to old classics, the worst example being his restaging of Eisenstein's Odessa Steps' sequence in 'The Untouchables'.
Woody Allen springs to mind, with his inexhaustible enthusiasm for the work of Ingmar Bergman. No matter how often Allen tries, nothing of the tortured Scandinavian soul of Bergman registers in his more serious movies, which are po-faced and doom-laden to an almost self-satirising degree.
I would trade every one of Allen's pseudo-Bergmanisms for one viewing of the unbearably grim horror movie 'Last House on the Left', which Wes Craven adapted freely, effectively and without pretension, from Bergman's medieval revenge drama 'Virgin Spring'.
It's nasty, and features chainsaws and castrations, but it's a winning adaptation. '
http://film.guardian.co.uk/features...,894555,00.html
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Albert Speer
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Puerile Polemic
Mar 1999
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who the heck is this dj shadow? ive only heard of him on apolyton.
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molly bloom
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Lundenwic
Oct 2001
time: 15:23
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Originally posted by Azazel
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I'd point to D. J. Shadow's 'Endtroducing' album which is a huge collage of samples and sounds which is far greater than the sum of its parts.
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You know great music too! Oh, molly, is there anything you can't do?!
Agathon:
Btw, speaking of sexism, and objectification of women, I think that my current desktop beats yours ( at least the last one I know of).  |
I'm absolutely hopeless with most mechanical things. I prefer chopsticks to knives and forks.
I can cook, skin and bone and gut animals, birds and fish, deal with unpleasant illnesses, Geneva Convention contravening nappies, insect pests, snakes and scorpions.
But fix something with moving parts and electricity?
Nuh uh.
Alberto Spearcatcher:
D. J. Shadow is Amurrkan:
http://www.djshadow.com/site/index.html
I first found out about him in about 1995-6, I think- I bought a promo tape for 'Endtroducing' which had about 4 or 6 tracks on it, and used to play it on repeat at the gym through my headphones on the step machine.
He's grooovvvyyyyyyy.
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/t...991132?v=glance
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