11-09-2004 09:23									#61
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quote: Originally posted by Ogie Oglethorpe Wait one flippin' second. You mean to tell me CBS never had an original!!! OMFG!!!! They went with this and didn't have the original. How the hell did they know if the photocopy they had wasn't tampered with to insert sigs etc. ?

Not only that, but the staff at DNC doubted the documents based on not being able to verify the legitimacy of the source.

CBS did not have any qualms, apparently.

	11-09-2004 09:24									#62
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And they seemed to think that handwriting analysis could be used on photocopies to authenticate a signature above some typed nonsense.

	11-09-2004 09:26									#63
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quote: Originally posted by chegitz guevara Read the wrong part. Anyway, ABC is only quoting what they were told. Even before ABC's erpotr, the original bloggers were already saying it was possible, since the IBM typewriter could use TNR.

But per my earlier posts have concluded the IBM selectric Composer could not have done the job. Nor could it achieve the spacing nor kerling.

	11-09-2004 09:26									#64
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My grandmother would have seen the problem with that.

She is dead, btw. And so is the credibility of Dan Rather and his staff.

	11-09-2004 09:26									#65
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quote: Originally posted by notyoueither Not only that, but the staff at DNC doubted the documents based on not being able to verify the legitimacy of the source.

Right now, it's only rumored that the DNC had the documents.

	11-09-2004 09:29									#66
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quote: Originally posted by chegitz guevara Right now, it's only rumored that the DNC had the documents.

And did they manufacture the documents? That's against the law.

	11-09-2004 09:29									#67
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The rumor is that while the DNC had doubts, it was too juicy to let slide. Because they didn't want to get hit with the backlash if it proved false, they slipped it to CBS, believing that CBS would do thorough checks on it first.

	11-09-2004 09:30									#68
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They didn't count on Rather being a partisan hack, though...

	11-09-2004 09:32									#69
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quote: Originally posted by The Mad Monk The rumor is that while the DNC had doubts, it was too juicy to let slide. Because they didn't want to get hit with the backlash if it proved false, they slipped it to CBS, believing that CBS would do thorough checks on it first.

The paper trial is there though, so eventually people will find out the DNC originally had them.

	11-09-2004 09:32									#70
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quote: Originally posted by chegitz guevara Right now, it's only rumored that the DNC had the documents.

The point stands about the authenticity.

Where did they come from? The family says there are no such documents attributable to the supposed author.

CBS ****ed the duck.

	11-09-2004 09:45									#71
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Late Breaking News in!!!

This clearly puts the memos in a new light. I expect Bush to resign effective immediately

More Damning Docs Released by CBS

	11-09-2004 09:50									#72
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quote: Originally posted by Ogie Oglethorpe Late Breaking News in!!! This clearly puts the memos in a new light. I expect Bush to resign effective immediately More Damning Docs Released by CBS

I'm gonna kick your rear-end.. I almost choked on a piece of food while reading that.

	11-09-2004 10:03									#75
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Are you laughing at me or the article?

	11-09-2004 10:07									#76
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Yes

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quote: Originally posted by Ogie Oglethorpe Yes

(Quoting Dean) AGasdfasgagagasfagwqqesaczdawwerafsd....

	11-09-2004 10:12									#78
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And the fun continues for CBS

quote: Bit, by bit, by bit ... Retired Maj. General Hodges, Killian's supervisor at the Grd, tells ABC News that he feels CBS misled him about the documents they uncovered. According to Hodges, CBS told him the documents were "handwritten" and after CBS read him excerpts he said, "well if he wrote them that's what he felt." Hodges also said he did not see the documents in the 70's and he cannot authenticate the documents or the contents. His personal belief is that the documents have been "computer generated" and are a "fraud". UPDATE: By bit ... AUSTIN, Texas - (KRT) - The man named in a disputed memo as exerting pressure to "sugar coat" President Bush's military record left the Texas Air National Guard a year and a half before the memo was supposedly written, his own service record shows.

Link for Sava -P.S. Are you getting these already?

	11-09-2004 12:36									#79
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I laughed at The Weekly Standard. It still amazes me that anyone takes that trash seriously. The people who run it are cretins, and prove it again and again in their media appearances.

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quote: Originally posted by Agathon I laughed at The Weekly Standard. It still amazes me that anyone takes that trash seriously. The people who run it are cretins, and prove it again and again in their media appearances.

Funny, I was just thinking the same thing about CBS...

	11-09-2004 12:47									#81
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It's amusing that some people believe 'The Weekly Standard' is trash and 'The Guardian' is news. Makes me wonder if they've ever read The Standard.

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CBS is stodgy and old, but not bent. The WS is a radical nutbar magazine that thinks it is in the mainstream. When I've bothered to read it, I have wanted to smash the **** out of the idiot columnists for their stupidity.

At least Counterpunch and ZMag don't present themselves as being mainstream - and no one in office listens to them anyway (thank God).

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quote: It's amusing that some people believe 'The Weekly Standard' is trash and 'The Guardian' is news. Makes me wonder if they've ever read The Standard.

It's not as good as it used to be, but the Grauniad is a real newspaper (albeit a centre left paper). The WS is a political pamphlet.

The difference is that the Grauniad isn't designed to be the mouthpiece of some fringe political movement - it's a paper which has politics, not a political campaign masking itself as a paper.

	11-09-2004 12:51									#84
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quote: The difference is that the Grauniad isn't designed to be the mouthpiece of some fringe political movement - it's a paper which has politics, not a political campaign masking itself as a paper.

Yeah, right.

	11-09-2004 13:04									#85
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Are you saying it isn't a newspaper?

Right wing tabloids are still newspapers - they do attempt to separate reportage from editorial. One of the finest columnists in Canada, Eric Margolis, writes for the Toronto Sun, which is about the worst paper in Canada.

The Guardian is like that. i.e. a newspaper.

The WS is a fringe political magazine, like ZMag or Counterpunch.

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I'm saying that it definetly is a 'political campaign masking itself as a paper'. The Guardian seems to combine the reportage and the editorial into one.

And btw, political magazines can be going for attempted objectivity just as much as mainstream news sources. All you have to do is to take a look at 'Time' or 'Newsweek' in the US, which definitely separate the reporting from the editorials in content and procedure..

	11-09-2004 13:15									#87
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quote: I'm saying that it definetly is a 'political campaign masking itself as a paper'. The Guardian seems to combine the reportage and the editorial into one.

Hardly, it's a left leaning newspaper, but you will often find dissenting articles published within. That it is mildly leftish in a fuzzy sort of way is about the limit of it.

Time and Newsweek are detestable rags, but they aren't particularly partisan. The WS is, like the Nation (except that the people who write for the Nation are smarter and more literate).

	11-09-2004 13:23									#88
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The right better stick with militarism for the time being, as their economic ideas have been so thoroughly discredited.

	11-09-2004 17:01									#89
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Yawn.

Your continued claims of victory Aggie are more than tiring, Please spam eslewhere.

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quote: Memos uncovered and touted by Rather's team appear to have been written in Microsoft Word, the experts said - a computer program that did not exist at the time Bush was in the Guard.

how can you tell that a printed document was written on a pc, and more specifically with which application?!?!?!?!?!?