18-09-2004 01:55									#31
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jshelr, do you want to take America... I know you have more time in the Conquest than I.

Also, am I safe in assuming that we allies can coordinate with each other, beyond normal epic PBEM rules?

We are... allies, after all.

	18-09-2004 02:51									#32
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no, go right ahead. none of us have much experience with this level of naval / air warfare.

	18-09-2004 02:53									#33
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i recommend building the manhattan project with a leader

	18-09-2004 07:56									#34
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I will take the commonwealth.

	18-09-2004 23:53									#35
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Basically moding settlers in would have the following effects:

1. If either China or Japan gets a clear military edge, they can found cities all over Mongolia and Siberia to actually have a shot at winning via domination rather than score.

2. Japan, the commonwealth, the US, and maybe the Dutch could throw up cities on Pacific Islands for use as Air Force Bases. This would greatly reduce the usefulness of carriers. Helps Japan more because unlike SMAC, allies can't base aircraft in allied cities in Civ II.

On the proposed "no-raize" policy, I think this would hurt Japan more than the allies. It's Japan that starts with the most military units and the allies with the most production. Nothing slows an offense down more than having indivual units in the front line being reassigned to permantly garrision a city at a time. I also have visions of naval units bombarding cities down to size 1 prior to the land units coming in to exploit the auto-razing loop hole.

quote: Originally posted by GodKing I will take whomever. Sent my email to theseus per his request. It is godking ta prodigy dot net. I haven't played this since it came out also. Will probably play a single player jsut to refresh myself this weekend. All I remember is that the first 5 turns usually determine who will win. Also, we can mod in and allow settlers if you want. (huge benifit to japan IIRC).

	19-09-2004 08:17									#36
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do we need settlers and a raze policy?

	19-09-2004 10:14									#37
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I think not. Let's take the challenge as presented... LouLong, we are awaiting!

	19-09-2004 17:28									#38
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This sounds fun.

As it progresses and its safe to do an occassional screenshot would be nice.

	19-09-2004 20:15									#39
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We should have a thread that we ask no CFC person to look at that may give away our stuff - somewhere like the strat forum or someplace else where it will not get bumped off the first page in 3 hours like here in the pbem game. We can post screen shots there, come up with our own stratagies, and so forth. It will also keep those who are interested in following our progress updated.

	19-09-2004 20:51									#40
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How about one of those Members Only things - CivGroups or whatever? You can limit access to those.

	19-09-2004 20:51									#41
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Oh, and if anyone needs a replacement i'll help.

	19-09-2004 22:52									#42
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Na, I would like to to be open, with just an understanding that our enemy doesn't peek (as we gave CFC that we wouldn't peek over there.)

	20-09-2004 01:31									#43
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wow that is a lot of trust to put into a nation like japan

they did bring us great pilots like - Divine Wind - Kamikaze

	20-09-2004 16:04									#44
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By the way, I gave you guys my family email rather than my civ email. To keep my wife from peeking at our material and informing Japan, please use

jshelruss xxx yahoo xxx com

	20-09-2004 16:27									#45
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indeed old chap

indeed

	21-09-2004 15:55									#46
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sorry to see the Raze rule

japs must be scared of my smoken' joken' soldier boys

apart from that happy to rock'n'roll

	21-09-2004 21:33									#47
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Sorry it disappoints you but we have seen in some games razing can be "exploited".

A note : the reason why we have a replacement player is Rcoutme has a disease which definitely does not prevent him from playing but that can limit him sometimes. No real pb so far and Eric_A is replacement.


I don't think there will be any quitters on this probably short challenge but it is probably better you get one password for all the Allies.

Last edited by LouLong on 22-09-2004 at 14:53

	22-09-2004 04:45									#48
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ahh it is all good

	22-09-2004 14:55									#49
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Sent a mail to Chrisius Maximus as your representative for some settings but no answer so far.

So here are the proposals:

- monarch level
- AP on
- possibility of exchanging cities : Yes
- Change of governments : No

	22-09-2004 16:19									#50
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quote: Originally posted by LouLong Sent a mail to Chrisius Maximus as your representative for some settings but no answer so far. So here are the proposals: - Change of governments : No

ok I will bight... why no change of Governments?
personally I feel this should be yes

ahh I thought Chris was a referee not our nominated rep
actually did not think we had nominated a rep
maybe Theseus as team Captain
as we each represent indiviual Governments I feel we should each be consulted on these issues

	23-09-2004 06:56									#51
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Set my password up as my username, that way in case I am not around.... it is easy to find a replacement... not that I expect to not be around.

	23-09-2004 08:44									#52
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- monarch level

Fine

- AP on

Hmmm, I have a problem with that... I have never played with AP, ever... I know it it sometimes/often used for MP of sorts, but I would be at a severe disadvantage.

- possibility of exchanging cities : Yes

I do not know the possible impact of that rule in this scenario.

- Change of governments : No

Again, I do not know the impact.

	24-09-2004 05:33									#53
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I have found that the Accelerated Production is hardwired into the scenario. If you guys want to play the game with AP off, then I will have to modify the scenario to do that. Please let me know what your decision is. Email at Rcoutme@hotmail.com

	24-09-2004 14:07									#54
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I am all against AP off in this scenario, especially the MP verion.

AP on was intended and I think they had a valid point. Without it, the US will never have time to produce anything then move westwards against Japan.

So I don't considered that a preference but really a default feature of the scenario.

	24-09-2004 14:21									#55
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Id concur with that this scenario needs AP to make it playable, yes it does give Japan huge production, but China is a great little workhorse too.

	24-09-2004 18:36									#56
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The Imperial Japanese Command has great news to report! Our victorious armies have liberated the following cities from the evil Western occupiers and the foolish Chinese:

In the Phillipines, our marines captured Aparri, Manila and Davao and Puerto Princess. Additional American loss includes Guam which was also captured by our glorious marines. Our fleet under Admiral Nagumo went to Pearl Harbor and bombed the American Fleet and air units there. Sadly, some of our pilots were lost (one zero), but they destroyed two fighter wings, one battleship, one cruiser and damaged some other ships (I think...)

The Commonwealth lost Hong Kong, Bhuket and Rangoon. One of our infantry regiments was destroyed in the capture of Rangoon. In addition, our Combat Engineers destroyed another Anzac Regiment north of Kuala Lumpur.

In China, our victorious armies captured Sian and destroyed an infantry regiment defending Foochan. An infantry unit near Hankow was destroyed as well. Our artillery bashed a lot of other units, but our aircraft need much more practice at bombing.

Edit: Sorry, didn't mean to leave out the Dutch: We also captured Manokwari with Marines.

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	25-09-2004 18:00									#57
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This day will live in infamy

	26-09-2004 00:52									#58
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There's not much difference in the govts in WW 2 Pacific compared to what they are in the normal game.

Basically with exchanging cities, there's some free unit transportation for the allies.

Basically, the AP on will help those with short supply lines. (In other words, whoever is currently LOSING is helped by AP on.)

	26-09-2004 00:54									#59
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Has the allies thread been placed somewhere yet?

I sometimes have trouble threads in the PBEM forum.

	26-09-2004 03:17									#60
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Well, exchanging cities is not for free transportation as if used often it would be an exploit. But this option is allowed for Allies to create bases in new places.
Just don't over use it... please.