16-09-2004 08:01									#91
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I think he's projecting his thoughts on to you.

	16-09-2004 08:11									#92
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quote: Originally posted by Whoha labor is about 10% of the cost of food isn't it?

And if the labor cost doubles or tripples?

	16-09-2004 08:15									#93
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Then those people at the bottom have double or triple the money to spend, and food costs 1.1x or 1.2x as much.

	16-09-2004 21:38									#94
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The supporters of amnesty don't seem to be putting up much of a fight on this.

	16-09-2004 22:32									#95
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what? russians and asians? yeah in torrance and OC, but not in SD

	16-09-2004 23:19									#96
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quote: what? russians and asians? yeah in torrance and OC, but not in SD

I'm the San Francisco Bay Area. I live in a Mexican Community, but once I leave my little area there are a lot of Asians.

	16-09-2004 23:52									#97
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yeah, in bay area, i thought you said socal. read waaaayyyy too fast.

and that report caligastia doesnt take into account the amount it would cost us if our labor costs were that much higher and we had to pay more for our fruits.

quote: Then those people at the bottom have double or triple the money to spend, and food costs 1.1x or 1.2x as much

i dont think its only an increase in food of 1.1 or 1.2x as much. leaving out imports, i think you would see at least a 1.5x increase in food prices. (depending on where prices are for imports, these domestic guys could go out of business, while keeping the price relatively equal, although increased unemployment would cost us for a while at least)

	17-09-2004 00:22									#98
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quote: Originally posted by Caligastia There's no bother if I don't have to subsidize them. Unfortunately I do.

Do you think it would all be daisy-fresh and prosperous if they were kept out? Economies don't work like that. My money would be on increasing labour costs with inflationary effects, combined with hitting American farmers hardest. So what's it to be? Subsidies or import restrictions?

	17-09-2004 01:59									#99
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quote: Originally posted by Lazarus and the Gimp Do you think it would all be daisy-fresh and prosperous if they were kept out? Economies don't work like that. My money would be on increasing labour costs with inflationary effects, combined with hitting American farmers hardest. So what's it to be? Subsidies or import restrictions?

Who says the savings in labour are being passed onto the consumer? Do you think cheap labor is being utilized in order to lower prices? If American employers don't want to pay lawful wages to American citizens they shouldn't be in business.

	17-09-2004 02:10									#100
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quote: Originally posted by Lawrence of Arabia yeah, in bay area, i thought you said socal. read waaaayyyy too fast. and that report caligastia doesnt take into account the amount it would cost us if our labor costs were that much higher and we had to pay more for our fruits. i dont think its only an increase in food of 1.1 or 1.2x as much. leaving out imports, i think you would see at least a 1.5x increase in food prices. (depending on where prices are for imports, these domestic guys could go out of business, while keeping the price relatively equal, although increased unemployment would cost us for a while at least)

Labor costs about 10% of food production apparently.
That is the short term effect, long term those businesses will have to implement labor saving methods that will ultimately increase productivity and decrease costs.

	17-09-2004 02:14									#101
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quote: Originally posted by Boshko Good for them That 3 million number is vastly inflated as well, as very few of those 3 million come to the US and stay there forever, many hop back and forth over the border many many times and thus can get counted again and again. My ancestors came to the US right before the racist 3% immigration laws, which would've probably kept them out. I'm damn happy that my family was able to come over when there was a liberal immigration policy and I don't see why other people's family's shouldn't be able to do the same thing.

I haven't heard of the racist 3% immigration laws until now. Could you tell us a bit more about them? I had hoped that racial preference laws for immigration were gone for good.

	17-09-2004 02:22									#102
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quote: Originally posted by chegitz guevara Look, the economy, as it is corruently constituted, simply cannot survive without migrant labor. Are you prepared to triple the price of your food and add another hundred thousand to the cots of your house? Are your or your wife prepared to quit their jobs (further contracting the economy) in order to stay home and take care of the house? Capitalism needs cheap labor. Unless you're prepared to radically restructure the economy, you need illegal immigrants.

wth? You don't take care of your own house? you hire illegals to do it?

I agree though that capitalist businessmen will be the first to back you up on the need for cheap undoccumented labor.

	17-09-2004 04:13									#103
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I read somewhere if we didn't have illegals picking our produces, that 99 cents lettuce can easily become $3

	17-09-2004 04:21									#104
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quote: Labor costs about 10% of food production apparently.

this cant be right. it sounds really suspect. if its only 10% then how can third world countries routinely produce food at lower costs. and they have more than a 10% comparative advantage because in places in mexico where ive been you can get watermelons for like .50c the big one. ($1 for gringos, hehehe)