16-09-2004 20:58									#1
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Folks, I need your help!

I just found "Scandinavian diplomacy (2001-20011)" at spanish civ II site and I love it despite the fact it has no new units, no events etc.

And I've got a vision! I MUST improve it with new graphics, events for maximizing the joy of playing it.

(By the way, does anyone know how to contact the author for asking for permission to change it?)

But because I have absolutely no talent for drawing units, icons, it would be very polite of you to donate units (for example finnish modern infrantry and stuff like this) or simply ideas for events or wonders or so.

Would be veeeery nice from you to help me!

	16-09-2004 21:18									#2
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It might be helpful if you could provide the author's name.

	16-09-2004 21:28									#3
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Oh, yes, sorry...

The original scenario was made by John Law.

	17-09-2004 01:57									#4
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For first step i "scandinized" the terrain and gave the civs the real state flags.

Can anybody recommend some modern-days units collection to me?

	17-09-2004 02:01									#5
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There are many incredible units made by fairline, Jim Panse,
Typhoon and a host of unit top guns in the Modern graphics forum!

Poly modern units!

Check the last page and surf towards page one...

Happy hunting!

	17-09-2004 02:13									#6
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thx@curtsibling

Any idea how I can get battles for cities more "slow"? Like they are for example in red front?

	17-09-2004 02:21									#7
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btw. is there any way keeping the AI's from trading techs? Would be stupid if the swedes come running over with finnish soldiers or the norwegians got the russian infantry...

	17-09-2004 02:39									#8
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Make special unique techs preqs as no,no...

Save them as nil,nil then give them to the desired civ,
then edit the rules to make the particular tech no,no.

The AI will not be able to deal with these techs.

	17-09-2004 02:58									#9
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Thank you again!

Hm, after all the scen is still a big chaos... The author didn't care about the economy of the civilizations, he just gave them the whole programm of city improvements, he didn't care about technologies so you can't even chose a reasonable form of government in which you can deal with your money and army... Denmark and Estonia are still in the industrial ages...

Help, there's so much to clean up for letting the scen showing it's full potential... Is there anybody mad enough to help me cleaning up? (I guess not)...

	17-09-2004 15:01									#10
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Hi Setu

I just happen to have some Swedish infantry units sitting on my hard drive. If you need any infantry units made for the other countries, feel free to ask

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	17-09-2004 15:39									#11
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And now some Danes and Norwegians as well and you´ve covered Scandinavia, my friend!

	17-09-2004 16:14									#12
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No Finns?

	17-09-2004 16:43									#13
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@typhoon: Thanks!

Hm, here a short "wanted"-list for things I need.

-Norwegian Infantry
-Finnish Infantry
-Something to stop the instability of this scenario. The AIs keep changing governments all the time, governments collapse because of massive unhappiness caused by whatever.
-A idea to make battles for cities more exciting, I don't like this "1 tank's rolling - bang - city conquered"-system...

I think the work to be done on this scenario is much bigger than the rebuilding of eastern germany...

	17-09-2004 19:08									#14
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Will this do?

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	17-09-2004 19:32									#15
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They're excellent!

Very warm thank you!


Any ideas if I should include a few more nationalspecific special units?

	17-09-2004 20:14									#16
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You could post the wonders list, as well as city improvements and units list so that we can suggest changes.

Oh, and what map is being used? because you probably can use the desert terrain to do something else, such as urban? (my suggestion: 3 shi, 3 trade, can be 'mined' (factories) for an extra 3 shields), and provides a defense bonus.

Have artillery an infantry units ignore city walls (the latter are much better at fighting urban, so it would be a good way to reflect it...

	17-09-2004 20:23									#17
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No wonders are built and the city improvements are just the same as in normal civII games.

If they ignore city walls won't that even fasten the battle?

	17-09-2004 20:24									#18
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I don't know about the map, after all I'm just improving that thing. I can send you the scen if you want to have a look.

	18-09-2004 13:03									#19
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What a pity I've lost the creator's e-mail, I'm sure John Law would love to take part in this

	18-09-2004 14:23									#20
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quote: Originally posted by SetuSinger No wonders are built and the city improvements are just the same as in normal civII games. If they ignore city walls won't that even fasten the battle?

Up the defenses for all the units, and this will slow battle as you would need infantry and arty to assault cities (rather than the fast moving tanks, which makes sense).

You can also remove / limit RR's.

I'd also suggest renaming city improvements (Temple, MarketPlace?)

	18-09-2004 17:37									#21
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I made specially strong-defending and low building cost infantry units for danes and estonians to make it a bit harder to annect them.

Yes, I'll change the improvements, until now my only plan for this is to remove the SAMs (Airdefense will be done by units).

Can anyone tell me the standard jetfighters used by the swedish, norwegian, russian and finnish airforce?

	18-09-2004 18:25									#22
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That 20011 is a typo, by the way. It should be 2011.

Oh, and I think I do have an e-mail address of a certain John Law. He e-mailed me some maps a long time ago (and I never replied ). I'll look it up.

	19-09-2004 20:07									#23
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I can only answer for Norway with certainty. We use the F-16.

Sweden uses the Saab 37 Viggen I think. It's still in service as their standard one I think, but since 1990 they stopped producing the Viggen and started building the Grippen. I'm not sure there's any civ-graphics for them though...

And Finland I think uses the BAe Hawk Mk 51 as their standard.

The Russians have many, but I think the SU-27 Flanker is the most commonly used.

	19-09-2004 20:12									#24
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Tanelorn's cool Jas 39 Gripen...It might be of use?

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	19-09-2004 20:38									#25
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Nice one!

	19-09-2004 21:17									#26
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Here are some swedish unitss by tanelorn and other assorted authors

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	19-09-2004 21:33									#27
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Thank you all!

I hope I'll get to work on this tomorrow. Today I have to recover from yesternight...

	20-09-2004 14:34									#28
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Some corrected Norwegians

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	24-09-2004 00:26									#29
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Hm, I just don't get much farer with this. I'd need someone to take over the cities, delete the improvements given to much and perhaps change them. Will someone take over this not so nice job?

	24-09-2004 02:13									#30
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Can't you just use CivCity to do it ?(hint hint hint )