17-09-2004 16:19									#1
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It looks like the prevailing sentiment is currently to settle on one civ for everyone, but several civs have been nominated. The nominations I've noted are:

India (Religious/Commercial)
Korea (Scientific/Commercial)
Babylon (Religious/Scientific)
Japan (Religious/Militaristic)

I hate to put up a poll without waiting for additional nominations or for verification that I haven't left anyone out, but we should be able to get something we like reasonably well out of this and it would be hard to wait for more nominations and still get a poll up in time to get the game started this weekend.

Note that while the official duration of the poll is two days, it may be cut off any time after one when the scenario is ready for release. So I would strongly recommend voting sometime today (Friday).

	17-09-2004 19:36									#2
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I voted Korea (more SGL help), but India would be fine too.

Babylon and Japan are also great Civs

	17-09-2004 19:42									#3
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6hp elite War Elephants are CULTURAL, I swear!!!

	17-09-2004 19:54									#4
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so good I think the AI should have them.

	17-09-2004 20:02									#5
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I went with babylon because I really think thats the best choice to attract any nOObs that maybe lurking.

And if we do go with a different CIV I think we should consider (despite the numerous reservations) including babylon as a "second Civ Choice" for that reason.

For the record, Ill play whatever one we decide

	17-09-2004 20:14									#6
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quote: Originally posted by Theseus 6hp elite War Elephants are CULTURAL, I swear!!!

If a 6hp elite War Elephant says it's cultural, I certainly have no intention of arguing with it.

Actually, it occurs to me that war elephants are about as powerful offensively as AU Mod cavalry - 4/5 the attack value but 5/4 the hit points for veterans - and are stronger defensively, although their lower speed makes it easier for enemies to counterattack them. And compared with samurai, the defensive advantage of an extra hit point is almost as big as the defensive advantage of an extra point of defense value. All in all, at least on paper, the War Elephant looks like it is now one of the nastier UUs in the game - and it doesn't even require any resources to build. It will be interesting to see how it works out in practice if we end up playing India.

	17-09-2004 20:21									#7
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Babylon.

If you use your UU before it is obsolete, you are likely to 'enjoy' a despotic GA. This should discourage warmongering a little bit, which is IMO good for a culture-themed AU game.

	17-09-2004 20:22									#8
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Voted for Japan. I think that heavy and early fighting will be required in this game. Oh, and those ultra-early temples too.

	17-09-2004 21:50									#9
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quote: Originally posted by nbarclay If a 6hp elite War Elephant says it's cultural, I certainly have no intention of arguing with it. Actually, it occurs to me that war elephants are about as powerful offensively as AU Mod cavalry - 4/5 the attack value but 5/4 the hit points for veterans - and are stronger defensively, although their lower speed makes it easier for enemies to counterattack them. And compared with samurai, the defensive advantage of an extra hit point is almost as big as the defensive advantage of an extra point of defense value. All in all, at least on paper, the War Elephant looks like it is now one of the nastier UUs in the game - and it doesn't even require any resources to build. It will be interesting to see how it works out in practice if we end up playing India.

Yes... following my drubbing at your hands, I've getting more active with PBEMs, and re-assessing civs and UUs in that regard. I have been developing the thought that India is perhaps an unsung hero...

	17-09-2004 23:14									#10
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Korea.

But the others are fine too.

And after all, Theseus wants India.

	17-09-2004 23:16									#11
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quote: Originally posted by Theseus Yes... following my drubbing at your hands, I've getting more active with PBEMs, and re-assessing civs and UUs in that regard. I have been developing the thought that India is perhaps an unsung hero...

Yep - India is real good civ. That is why I think we should try Korea, where the UU is somewhat more limited, and the civ less played - as far as I can tell.

	18-09-2004 03:05									#12
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I picked Korea to make it a challenge for you guys.

	18-09-2004 03:22									#13
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pity you didn't add more choices, "other" just never has a chance

i'd vote sumeria and persia before the religious civs, despite war elephant "culture".

multiple selection would have been advantageous too...

	18-09-2004 04:34									#14
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Too bad Japan seems to be out of the game. I had really hoped for a "conquer the continent ASAP, then build it" game from someone. This one is not so much a choice for non-militaristic civs.

	18-09-2004 06:26									#15
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Korea (of course!)

But India would be great fun to play too

	18-09-2004 07:28									#16
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Go Korea, Go!

	18-09-2004 10:19									#17
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Who's setting up the game? It would be a real pity if Dom did it

[EDIT: found my answer elsewhere and it's Nathan]

	18-09-2004 11:00									#18
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quote: Originally posted by Aqualung71 Who's setting up the game? It would be a real pity if Dom did it.

Never knew you dislike my scenarios so much...

	18-09-2004 11:10									#19
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Meaning.....you set up AU501 and didn't play because of it....and I want to read your DAR's.

What's more....you know that's what I meant, you s**t-stirrer

	18-09-2004 23:30									#21
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Dominae, ever think about joining the AU Civ group?

	19-09-2004 00:55									#22
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Does agricultural/religious or agricultural/scientific appear to overpowered? I'd like to have stack of Gallic swords to conquer the ancient age, which gives a nice GA as well? And the cheap and safe expansion with enkidus including a beeline for philosophy/literature doesn't seem too bad as well.

	19-09-2004 02:28									#23
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quote: Originally posted by Nuclear Master Dominae, ever think about joining the AU Civ group?

The AU Civgroup icon makes me look fat...

Seriously, I really dislike that icon (apologies to whoever designed it).

	19-09-2004 02:34									#24
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quote: Originally posted by Chrush Does agricultural/religious or agricultural/scientific appear to overpowered? I'd like to have stack of Gallic swords to conquer the ancient age, which gives a nice GA as well? And the cheap and safe expansion with enkidus including a beeline for philosophy/literature doesn't seem too bad as well.

We played the Celts in the last SP AU course, so that's a good reason not to play them here.

As for the Sumerians, they would definitely be a fine choice for this game. However, I believe there's an unofficial embargo against Agricultural civs for AU games: everyone plays Agr. on their own because it's so good, and here at AU we like to shake things up.

	19-09-2004 04:18									#25
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quote: Originally posted by Dominae Seriously, I really dislike that icon (apologies to whoever designed it).

that was me

feel free to design a new one. i'm not a talented

	19-09-2004 05:16									#26
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Probably is, I'm definitely no better...

	19-09-2004 05:43									#27
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quote: Originally posted by Dominae We played the Celts in the last SP AU course....

I don't think alexman would agree with you there Dom

	19-09-2004 05:48									#28
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Hmmmm......India 7, Korea 6, Babs 4......close call.....any more votes for Korea?

See you all in the new thread

	19-09-2004 06:45									#29
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quote: Originally posted by Aqualung71 I don't think alexman would agree with you there Dom.

Doh! Quite right: we played the Celts two SP courses ago. During a time that everyone was jumping over themselves to play that civ in PBEM games, I might add.