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Pekka
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em seu burro dos pais!
Feb 2002
time: 07:23
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It's like poopalizer. First you poo into your own bed, and then wonder why you get sick from sleeping with your mouth open. Then, someone designs the poopalizer, that allows you to sleep in it with your mouth open and not get sick.
Giancarlo, yeah, I hope rest of the world doesn't have the clean water like we do. I just take it for granted, and that's the only way to do it. It's not my fault majority of people born in places with no clean water. So I shouldn't fix it either. I should also make my very best effort to throw obstacles into peoples way who try to fix the problem. Why? because it is the right thing to do.
ACtually, this is communist. 'Clean water for evrryone!'. No, you have to EARN IT! You have to beat the guy next to you to get the clean water. We could even make it a TV show.
However, of course I think this is a great invention.
Last edited by Pekka on 19-09-2004 at 01:51
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Lancer
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Oregon Coast, USA! or Bohol, Philippines!
Apr 1999
time: 05:23
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So what population can the world support with this? 15 billion?
There's the US desert southwest, Australia, arab areas, the Sahara...all should bloom, flow with milk and honey, etc...
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DRoseDARs
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"My god, it's full of peas..."
Jul 2002
time: 21:23
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quote:
Originally posted by Pekka
Who needs this technology, when you have plenty of clean water anyway. Desert people should be dealt with what Darwin suggested anyway. Desert = no future. It's not meant to be living quarters of humans. It's evil. Except for Israelis. But for the people in Nevada and stuff.. you have no excuses. |
To be fair, northern and southern Nevada have adaquet water supplies from both nearby rivers (Truckee River and Colorado River) and from groundwater supplies. The problem is growth. I can't speak for Las Vegas (that's Diss' department; I'll PM him), but in Reno our city officials are a bunch of whores for whom the word "no" is not in their vocabulary. They constantly pander to the casino lobby as well as the developers who keep adding subdivisions to the Truckee Meadows. As it is, the valley floor is close to completely developed with open spaces few and far between. Reno has been making land grabs into the North Valleys and west along I-80, eventually to the California border. People have been warning Reno city officials for 30 years that this kind of growth would strain our water supplies eventually, yet each time it shows up in the media it's quickly forgotten. The city of Sparks also resides in the valley and they've been much more conservative in their growth. However, Reno's voracious appetite and uncapped growth are sucking from the same water supplies.
Going east along I-80, the Truckee River continues flowing downstream, eventually emptying into Pyramid Lake. Millenia ago, Lake Lahontan (sp?) was a massive body of water covering most of Northern Nevada and into parts of southern Oregon, Idaho, and western Utah. As the climate shifted, that lake dried up and a number of much smaller remanents remained. Lake Pyramid and modern Lake Lahontan are just two of them. The ancient lake bed has left us with moderately fertile soil around Fallon and Fernley and both of those places are thusly surrounded by farmlands. They depend on the Truckee River's continued flow, but seeing as they are downstream from the Truckee Meadows...
My point is that even though northern Nevada is desert, we can still support large populations, but we may be reaching a point where further growth will become untenable without importing water from elsewhere. Again, I can't speak for Las Vegas, but I do know they're trying to take groundwater from sparcely populated counties north of them. The residents in the small towns there really don't like that.
Only half kidding here, but perhaps California can start getting its water from desalinized Pacific Ocean water and start selling its surface and groundwater supplies to Nevada and Arizona.
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Originally posted by Lancer
I hope they power the desalinization with solar power. It would make sense since they'll be in deserts. |
Popular Science Magazine did an informal study and found that if 1,000 square miles of the southern Nevada desert were covered in solar panels it would meet, perhaps even surpass, the United States' electricity needs. 
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Lancer
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Oregon Coast, USA! or Bohol, Philippines!
Apr 1999
time: 05:23
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"Lancer: the problem is energy, now. You need to power those babies, you know..."
Yeah I thought about that earlier, posted about it even.
If the things are going to be in the desert...solar power em!
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DRoseDARs
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"My god, it's full of peas..."
Jul 2002
time: 21:23
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Pekka sees desert, you say: "No one should live there because it's desert."
Sensible people see desert, they say: "How many can live in this desert comfortably without straining the water supplies?"
Reno City officials see desert, they say: "MONEY! I LIKE WHORING FOR MONEY!"
Washoe County (in which you find Reno and Sparks) itself has a population of 339,486 per the 2000 Census. This doesn't take into account other inhabited places residing in other counties just a few miles east or south that are loosely part of a greater "metropolitan" region re: within 1 hour's drive.
The problem you're having is that you're lumping all deserts into a broad characterization that you and others symbolize with the Sahara Desert, which we can all agree is almost totally inhospitable and thusly uninhabitable. Parts of the Great Basin aren't that kind of desert, that's why you find cities like Reno, Las Vegas, Salt Lake City, and Phoenix. Not all deserts are as dry as a bone. With sensible planning, many desert regions can be inhabited well within their resource supplies.
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Dr Strangelove
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Just to get ahead of the game let me ask this: if we desalinate enough seawater to make the Saharan Arabian, and Namibian deserts arable what will be the world wide effects? We'd have to put the leftover salt somewhere. If it's dumped back into the ocean wouldn't the area near the dumping point become toxic to sealife? OTOH planting crops in a large part of the globe that was desert and probably acted as a heat reflector might actually partially counteract global warming.
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19-09-2004 00:55
You need to power those babies, you know...
And Dr S beats me to the punch. 
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