20-09-2004 20:28									#121
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Ramo, agreed. But he was right.

	20-09-2004 20:31									#122
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No, he wasn't. Rabid, obscene unemployment is the single largest cause of the failure of reconstruction.

	21-09-2004 04:31									#123
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Ramo, in hindsight, perhaps. Another view is that the rebuilding of the Iraqi armed forces should have been a much higher priority -- including vetting of Saddam's senior NCO's and officers.

	21-09-2004 04:35									#124
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Anyone want to tackle the "Mondale was incompetent for advocating higher taxes on the rich," since that is the alleged reason that Mondale suffered the greatest defeat in US history, but that Kerry is not incompetent for advocating the very same thing?

	21-09-2004 05:39									#125
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quote: Imran, if you want to argue along these lines, at least get your facts right. Mondale proposed exactly the same thing as does Kerry.

You quote has absolutely nothing to say about Mondale lowering taxes on the middle class and lower class. It just says that Mondale wanted to raise taxes in order to lower the deficit. Where is the lower taxes in Mondale's proposal?

And besides, a quote of an opponent is supposed to be taken as total fact?

	21-09-2004 08:09									#126
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quote: Originally posted by Drake Tungsten You think they can just hire security to stop the insurgency? They need to defeat the insurgency, but hiring security isn't going to do it. It's a long term, military and political process.

When you have about 400,000 unemployed professional soldiers, I'd say it's pretty damn easy. They should have never been fired in the first place.

	21-09-2004 08:15									#127
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****, and here I thought we were talking about the present day...

	21-09-2004 08:18									#128
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What, you think those guys have found jobs already?

That's pretty easy with a 67% unemployment rate.

	21-09-2004 11:51									#129
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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui quote: Imran, if you want to argue along these lines, at least get your facts right. Mondale proposed exactly the same thing as does Kerry. You quote has absolutely nothing to say about Mondale lowering taxes on the middle class and lower class. It just says that Mondale wanted to raise taxes in order to lower the deficit. Where is the lower taxes in Mondale's proposal? And besides, a quote of an opponent is supposed to be taken as total fact?

You really mean that Kerry favors maintaining the Bush tax cuts on the middle class.

Yes, that is a difference -- lowering taxes on the middle class. This is exactly what Clinton said during the '92 campaign.

He lied.

Instead of lowering taxes on the middle class, he raised them.

So much for believing the word of any Democrat to cut taxes.

	21-09-2004 18:21									#130
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Reagan

Bush

	21-09-2004 18:25									#131
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quote: Originally posted by Sava both of them are asshats... I look forward to one day pissing on both of their graves.

Both are to be fitted with electrified coffins.

	22-09-2004 04:00									#132
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quote: You really mean that Kerry favors maintaining the Bush tax cuts on the middle class.

No, he favors CUTTING the Bush tax cuts on the middle class. Perhaps your inherant bias has blinded you to Kerry's plans.

quote: Yes, that is a difference -- lowering taxes on the middle class. This is exactly what Clinton said during the '92 campaign. He lied. Instead of lowering taxes on the middle class, he raised them. So much for believing the word of any Democrat to cut taxes.

And Bush said he wouldn't raise taxes in the '88 campaign.

He lied.

Instead of not raising taxes, he raised them.

So much for believing the word of any Republican.


Ned, your 'logic' is even worse than usual

	22-09-2004 04:35									#133
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Imran, most Republicans lower taxes. Most Democrats raise them. So when a Democrat promises to lower them, we SHOULD be suspicious, especially at a time when they promise $2 trillion more per annum in new spending and also promise to balance the budget.

There is a lie in there someplace.

	22-09-2004 04:51									#134
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You continually point to President Kennedy's lowering of taxes and he was a Democrat that promised to. Nixon definetly did not lower taxes. Neither did Bush, Sr. Who are these 'most Republicans'? Reagan and Bush, Jr? What about Nixon, Eisenhower? IIRC, Carter did not raise taxes, but them at a level keel.

	22-09-2004 08:36									#135
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quote: Originally posted by MrFun Reagan Bush

Ted Striker

	22-09-2004 08:48									#136
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Actually, I'm kinda ambivalent towards you, Ted Striker due to your flamboyant heterosexuality, so . . . . .

	22-09-2004 09:01									#137
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That is ironic coming from you Mister Gay!!!!

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quote: Originally posted by Ted Striker That is ironic coming from you Mister Gay!!!!

Well, considering I'm not obviously gay IRL, I don't see your point here.

	22-09-2004 09:13									#139
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You listen to Cher, and you're not obviously gay IRL?

	22-09-2004 11:34									#140
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This is easy:
Because anyone would be better than Bush.

	22-09-2004 16:10									#141
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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui You continually point to President Kennedy's lowering of taxes and he was a Democrat that promised to. Nixon definetly did not lower taxes. Neither did Bush, Sr. Who are these 'most Republicans'? Reagan and Bush, Jr? What about Nixon, Eisenhower? IIRC, Carter did not raise taxes, but them at a level keel.

Yeah, Imran, the parties seem to have switch their ideology somewhat since Kennedy. Zell Miller loved Kennedy. So do I. But THAT Kennedy could not get the Democrat nomination today -- he was the very definition of neocon and a tax reducer to boot. He inspired people with a bold venture to go to the moon. No Democrat today proposes bold programs except to soak the rich to fund vast new social programs that will simply kill the economy.

	23-09-2004 02:44									#142
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quote: Originally posted by Ramo You listen to Cher, and you're not obviously gay IRL?

Did you know there are straight people who are fans of Cher?