19-09-2004 23:20									#1
	Suggestion: Split the "other games" forum Support Apolyton, buy Civilization 2

The "Other games" forum is pretty much a textbook example of a forum that should be split in two. As it is now, the forum is used for two purposes both of which are reasonably active and could do with their own forum:

(1) As originally planned, discussion on games other than Civ and its ilk.

(2) "Forum games", various text-based or PM-based games created and maintained by the users of the forums. These include Mafia, Nuclear War, Formula 1, etc.

Forum games are currently distinguished by an "FG" prefix and should be easy to move.

If you feel the forum total is large enough as is, how about moving forum games to the Stories and Diplomacy forum? (It should be suitably renamed, of course.) That forum is practically empty, Diplomacy as played here is pretty close in spirit to the forum games and some of the forum games (The Disease, notably) are very much in the "stories" vein.

P.S. Could you leave "Name That Game" in the Other Games forum?

	20-09-2004 00:09									#2
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When this has been discussed before the thought has been that OG has been revitalised by FG. Whilst it certainly wasn't dead before, OG threads do get more discussion than before. Personally I think the case for moving FG is weak.

	20-09-2004 00:29									#3
	Put an end to popups!

I find FG to be annoying and there were many succesful threads in normal OG without the FG. It's annoying to sift through threads that many people only post in to raise their post count.

	20-09-2004 00:42									#4
	Tired of ads?

It didn't bother me before (when there were about three of them) but it's kinda taken over the forum. I go there for Name That Game and actual other games, and it's a lot to sift through.

	20-09-2004 02:17									#5
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Personally I went to Other Games to find out more about Baldur's Gate and after finding out what I could, I read some of the Forum Game threads and was intriged but didn't actually play any of them. I later returned to Other Games and posted a question on MMORPG's and again read a number of the Forum Games and was impressed enough that I now play in about 4 of them (and not just to increase my post count, if after 5 years on these forums I am still a King, I would happily remain a King for the next 5 years I am here). These "Other Games" which are clearly Other Games and belong in this forum, are now labeled for the most part so that you do not have to "sift through" them, it should tell you at a glance which are Forum Games (FG) and which arn't.

I think this question has been asked and answered, and that the Forum Games have added to, not detracted from what is now a key Forum in the Apolyton group of Forums.

Perhaps it would help if (like O/T) the posts in Other Games no longer counted to post counts, but I for one fail to see a problem with the Forum and don't see this as a necessary change (Rah is more then capable of moderating the Forum and minimizing the spammers)

* Sparrowhawk , one of many "Other Games" converts

	20-09-2004 02:20									#6
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I don't know anyone who doesn't play the forum games who likes them being there though.

	20-09-2004 02:27									#7
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That is like saying I don't know anyone who doesn't play golf who likes the sport. Granted, if they liked the games they would likely participate, but they don't like them so they don't play, which is fine wheres the problem.

Do you suggest that the people who play the "Forum Games" don't play any of the "Other Games"? I think many of us do. I enjoy reading about the new games (or discussion about older games), and the discussion I read on this forum will influence whether I buy them or not. If not for the Forum Games (which I now check daily), I might never see the threads on such games as "Fallout 3" or "The Elder Scrolls" for instance.

	20-09-2004 02:31									#8
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The forum will still be there if Forum Games aren't. There is no reason you can't view them then. I was fine when there were a handful of forum games, but they are taking up half the forum it seems like now.

	20-09-2004 03:46									#9
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Ill add my support to seperating forum games from OG.

And anyone that says FG suddenly revitalised OG, thats BS. New games released revitalise OG, and if FG are so good at reviving forums then take a look at Stories & Diplomacy forum, if ever a forum needed some reviving....

	20-09-2004 04:01									#10
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I couldn't care less about other games, and whether or not they're revitalised. I would, however, support a seperate Forum Games forum, if only to get rid of the damnable FG tags.

	20-09-2004 10:02									#11
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The FG tag was added to Forum Game thread titles to appease the people that don't play them.

The people that play them were more than happy to have a seperate forum, but Markos said no.

He'll say no now.

ACK!

	20-09-2004 12:25									#12
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One of the recent games, The Disease I/II/III is very much in the tradition of the neverending stories of Stories and Diplomacy.

and FG stands for frigate!

	20-09-2004 20:03									#13
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I personally like them together. IT's easier to keep an eye on them

I have nixed and deleted some FG games.

And I have participated in the games discussions that I wouldn't have if I had not been there for FGs.

And I was the one that added the FG tag at the request of the whiners. Obviously whiners will always find something else to whine about.

	20-09-2004 20:20									#14
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Please, no split up of OG.

	20-09-2004 20:22									#15
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I'm not whining, I'm making what I think is a sensible suggestion for the best of the site.

BTW, whine, whine, the FG tag is annoying, whine, whine.

	20-09-2004 20:38									#16
	Increase the size of your Attachments

I would support a split AND make it so that the Forum Games-forum posts don't count. Then see how many people stop playing these games...

	20-09-2004 21:53									#17
	Tired of ads?

quote: Originally posted by Solver I would support a split AND make it so that the Forum Games-forum posts don't count. Then see how many people stop playing these games...

If we do that... let's do the same with Demo games and see if those games survive... I'll bet there would be a lot less posts

	20-09-2004 21:55									#18
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And I too have a few other forums I'd include in that.

Whine whine whine.

	20-09-2004 22:28									#19
	Support Apolyton buy from Amazon

the idea of paying to have your post count increased becomes more and more appealing

	20-09-2004 22:37									#20
	Support Apolyton, buy GURPS/ Alpha Centauri

I'm not tempted

	20-09-2004 23:09									#21
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quote: Originally posted by Ming If we do that... let's do the same with Demo games and see if those games survive... I'll bet there would be a lot less posts

Hehe, it's a slippery slope.

	20-09-2004 23:29									#22
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quote: Originally posted by MarkG the idea of paying to have your post count increased becomes more and more appealing

...
You're kidding, right?

	21-09-2004 00:24									#23
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quote: Originally posted by Ming If we do that... let's do the same with Demo games and see if those games survive... I'll bet there would be a lot less posts

Definitely so, and I believe I've mentioned that about Demo games in the past, too. And then we can see just how much they really appeal to the civers .

	21-09-2004 04:16									#24
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I say we eliminate post count for everything except the OT. That way people who are tempted to spam to increase their count will do so there, and only people who really want to post on topic will do so in the other forums.

	21-09-2004 04:30									#25
	Suffering from ads?

quote: Originally posted by Ming If we do that... let's do the same with Demo games and see if those games survive... I'll bet there would be a lot less posts

Not that many. There are a whole lot of constructive posts in demogames too. Plus a lot of talk through chat and IM that takes up lots of time and has nothing to do with increased post counts.

	21-09-2004 05:02									#26
	Support Apolyton, buy GURPS/ Alpha Centauri

quote: Originally posted by Apocalypse There are a whole lot of constructive posts in demogames too.

Yeah... I'm sure there are some

	21-09-2004 05:32									#27
	Get a bigger avatar today!

I'm sure you've made nearly 22,000 constructive posts.

The last person you want in a DG or FG is someone in it for the post count anyway.

	21-09-2004 05:34									#28
	Support Apolyton or Terrorists Win

Suggestion: Research the other thread where this was discussed to death.

	21-09-2004 20:58									#29
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Ming has always posted on-topic, no one word or smiley messages, never said anything extra and so on? Oh, he must be such an obedient poster.

	21-09-2004 21:30									#30
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Ming's made a frivolous post or 2, as have most. However anyone that posts here over a long period posts for fun. Posts naturally follow.

The people who post like crazy then disappear when they get the next title are the ones that confuse me.