21-09-2004 00:24									#1
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So, I was playing that @@!(#)^!)^ Zulu game, and decided to reload to the previous auto sav, because I let one of my cities revolt twice, and my gouverment collapsed. The last turn before that, I moved my diplo at a specific position.
I reloaded - and OK, no revolts, not even the first turn of the revolt in that city (Ummaka it was I think).
I didn't enbd the turn, and decided to reload again the earlier autosave.
To my suprise, the earlier autosave was the turn with all my cities revolting; the current autosave was the autosave from before several turns WITH MY DIPLO STANDING IN POSITION OF THE LAST TURN.
On the revolt sav, my diplo does not exist

OK. That's it. Bye, back to the game.

	21-09-2004 12:49									#2
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Er, Heresson.
You really shouldn't have posted that, because you're not allowed to reload in competition games. By saying that you reloaded, you've invalidated your game, and, because you've seen the map, you've invalidated all future games too. If you've still got a save after your government collapsed, then you could submit that, but by reloading, you're not allowed to submit any other games.

Sorry.

	21-09-2004 13:45									#3
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I didn't know You can't reload....
Must have missed that.
Why?
Wonders OK, but reloads? Dumb.
Either I should use one of my old old savs, or start a new game?
Bueh.

	21-09-2004 14:01									#4
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quote: Originally posted by Heresson Why?

So that we all play off a level playing field - if you only ever get barbs from huts - live with it; if your tank loses to a spearman - live with it; if your government collapses - live with it. Anything else is called 'cheating'.

Stu

	21-09-2004 14:10									#5
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Yeah, but it's so common I am suprised anybody tries to fight it

	21-09-2004 14:22									#6
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There is also no way of checking the save files submitted to the competition, so if you were exceedingly unscrupulous then you could keep reloading your saves until you got exactly the game you wanted. But you'd only have yourself to answer to.

Reloading saves are only allowed in one circumstance: if you are playing a OCC then you must save before you open any hut. If the hut contains an advanced tribe then you must reload until you get something else. If it is anything else, then you just have to live with it, even if it means that your only exploring unit is killed by barbs.

	21-09-2004 14:59									#7
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What? I need to resign if I find an advanced tribe too?!?!
Who had such a dumb idea?

	21-09-2004 15:10									#8
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No, that's only if you're playing a One City Challenge. Obviously the OCC finishes if you have a second city, so if you find one in a hut, then you are allowed to go back to the save before you opened the hut and try again until you get something that is not an advanced tribe.



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	21-09-2004 15:21									#9
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Oh, so that's OCC. Then, it's obvious, of course. I 've played a one city game. In the end, the vikings "subverted" my city, though it had a palace in it. I was enraged.

	22-09-2004 06:29									#10
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quote: Originally posted by Heresson I didn't know You can't reload....

Ahh, so that's what's been holding me back

	22-09-2004 06:39									#11
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huh?

	22-09-2004 08:01									#12
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quote: Originally posted by Heresson Oh, so that's OCC. Then, it's obvious, of course. I 've played a one city game. In the end, the vikings "subverted" my city, though it had a palace in it. I was enraged.

Eh? that's not supposed to happen...

	22-09-2004 14:26									#13
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That's why I was enraged.

	22-09-2004 21:17									#14
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I've never seen that happen.

	22-09-2004 21:37									#15
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I THINK I've seen a thread about something like that...
or a discussion at least.
It was a very unpleasant thing, but I reloaded, found that spy and destroyed. I was so angry that I decided I will cease to play one city only and started capturing their cities

	23-09-2004 00:00									#16
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Heresson,

What version of the game are you playing; are the patches applied??

Spies don't get a bribe option if the city has a Palace. Something else seems to be afoot here. Did your city disappear or did it change sides??

Monk

	23-09-2004 00:17									#17
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I do remember someone else claiming that this happened once. It wasnt' me

	23-09-2004 00:32									#18
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quote: Originally posted by Bloody Monk Heresson, What version of the game are you playing; are the patches applied?? Spies don't get a bribe option if the city has a Palace. Something else seems to be afoot here. Did your city disappear or did it change sides?? Monk

No patches, Civ2 FW
My city didn't disappear or change sides.
It was my ONLY city. It could not change sides


Theorethically I should have savs of this game, but I've got three computers here and I don't know on which I have played (it probably wasn't the newest one, but am not sure), on each I have lots of savs
I'd have to check. I don't remember which civ I've played.
I just remembers that the Vikings were involsved. But now I'm not even sure if it was me that played them, or was they the civ that bribed my capital city.

	23-09-2004 00:39									#19
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rah,

Yup, that did happen. What also happened is that they (he,she,it) could not provide a .sav and after numerous fruitless requests from many folk that a save be shared, the thread died.

This one, I think, needs more than a vague claim. Looking at a save, one could determine if the Palace city was bribed or not, just as seeing a "Bigfoot" at a news conference would be more definitive than 'fuzzy pictures'.

And re-loading, even if "enraged", is still a no-no.

Monk

	23-09-2004 00:45									#20
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quote: Originally posted by Heresson No patches, Civ2 FW My city didn't disappear or change sides. It was my ONLY city. It could not change sides

If it did not change sides, why do you think it was bribed??

Then again, I do not play FW; so maybe that is part of that game.

Monk

	23-09-2004 00:55									#21
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I thought You suggest that perhaps there was no palace in the city due to taking it by an enemy some time earlier.
If You did not think of that, how do You imagine bribing/subverting city WITHOUT taking it?
:P
@ (indeed) mad monk
:P

	23-09-2004 01:32									#22
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quote: Originally posted by Heresson I thought You suggest that perhaps there was no palace in the city due to taking it by an enemy some time earlier. If You did not think of that, how do You imagine bribing/subverting city WITHOUT taking it? :P @ (indeed) mad monk :P

Now why would anyone think there was no Palace since you said, in the first mention of this "problem", that the city had a Palace??

Maybe it is a language thing, and if that is the case, it is regretable that understanding comes with such difficulty. But, it seems you are more interested in sticking out your tongue than figuring this thing out. A serious person would not act this way.

Good luck with your rage.

Monk

	23-09-2004 01:47									#23
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quote: Originally posted by Bloody Monk Now why would anyone think there was no Palace since you said, in the first mention of this "problem", that the city had a Palace?? Maybe it is a language thing, and if that is the case, it is regretable that understanding comes with such difficulty. But, it seems you are more interested in sticking out your tongue than figuring this thing out. A serious person would not act this way. Good luck with your rage. Monk

Oh c-mon.
I assumed that You must have assumed that I have wrongly assumed that there was a palace in this city.

Sorry for tongues if they offended You.
I don't like anyone to be angry with me
(insert a self - lashing smiley).

My rage is long long gone, it was a ages ago that I've played this game

Bye, keep no hard feelings, Bloody Monky.

	23-09-2004 11:13									#24
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quote: Originally posted by Heresson No patches, Civ2 FW

I have a feeling this may be the problem. I have experienced a number of things that "shouldn't happen" when playing FW - particularly connected with the diplomacy. I believe that FW has some pernicious bugs.

I now play 2.42 rather than FW.

RJM at Sleeper's

	23-09-2004 11:16									#25
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yup - I agree with everything that rjm says... FW does wierd things with diplos

Stu

	23-09-2004 15:39									#26
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Oh, this guy that complained about similar thing once, he may have been me... I think I complained about it before.

I remember that a really long time ago, it could have even been civ 1 actually (and I did mention that too once), I caught a barbarian leader between my city and my unit. And he sabotaged a building in my city!
Well, barbarian leaders are diplos after all...