23-09-2004 00:27									#1
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Anybody have this game or played it? I saw a commercial for it and it looks okay, but I've been burned by game commercials before. Hopefully somebody here has played it.

	23-09-2004 04:01									#2
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star wars games generally are decent but i've gotten bored of them. they are usually not much different from the last star wars games. in fact some of them are very similar. iirc one relreased on gamecube was only an enhanced version of a n64 game.

	23-09-2004 05:17									#3
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if it doesn't have a pc version you automatically know it's crap.

So I ask, does this game have a PC version?

	23-09-2004 05:27									#4
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quote: Originally posted by Dissident if it doesn't have a pc version you automatically know it's crap. So I ask, does this game have a PC version?

Yes. It's a dual X-Box (with X-Box Live play) and PC (with online play) release.

Reviews so far have been pretty favorable for the multiplayer component and have been dumping on the single player component (which seems to have only been tacked on as a tutorial for online play in any case).

I personally don't think I'm going to spend the money or time on it, but if you're into spending money on this sort of thing and you have the time, it doesn't look bad.

Personally, I think I'm going to swing my game dollars toward Rome: Total War instead this month.

	23-09-2004 06:59									#5
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I've got it queued up, I'll let you know. too many games....not enough time.

	23-09-2004 20:03									#6
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quote: Originally posted by Dissident if it doesn't have a pc version you automatically know it's crap.

	23-09-2004 21:25									#7
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show me examples where this is not true. the roll eyes smiley doesn't cut it

platforms have had good games. But these games are also on PC. examples: KOTOR, Morowind, Madden NFL football, Halo etc.

	23-09-2004 23:28									#8
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Romance of Three Kingdoms doesn't have PC version but they're cool.

	23-09-2004 23:52									#9
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You are out of your mind. The RoTK is a pc game as well. A simple google search of RoTK PC will give you 100's of hits.

	24-09-2004 00:10									#10
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I just can't love the console thing as far as subscription stuff goes(gives me 'matrix' type worries), so i doubt i'll be getting it if the single player part is no good, which is a shame as i love star wars stuff.

how about 'Zelda - legend of the wind walker' ? - i dont think this came out on PC, but is regarded as a pretty good console rpg? (this could be a game like 'name the game'.......)

	24-09-2004 00:34									#11
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quote: Originally posted by Dissident show me examples where this is not true. the roll eyes smiley doesn't cut it platforms have had good games. But these games are also on PC. examples: KOTOR, Morowind, Madden NFL football, Halo etc.

so did Halo suddenly become a good XBox game when the PC version was released? Wasn't KOTOR in a similar situation (although I may be wrong on that one)?

Off the top of my head, 'Riddick' is a top game that isn't out on the PC, your statement was too much of a generalization IMHO, like saying sports franchise games on the PC are cr@p unless theres a console version as well,

	24-09-2004 10:40									#12
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There clearly ARE some good games that were originally developed for consoles. No question at all.

I suppose the point is that if the console market actually makes a great game, it almost never fails to be ported to PC. By contrast, if there's a really great game developed for PC, there is no guarantee whatsoever that it will even be capable of being ported to a console, nevermind that if it's capable that it would happen.

That said, in recent years the console market has exploded to such an extent that even traditional PC developers are tayloring games to the console market (or dual release console and PC). I can't blame any of these companies for that trend: the console market simply has more money in it these days. KOTOR is actually a good example of this trend. It's the type of game that BioWare and Atari would have developed entirely for PC only 5-6 years ago, but developed for X-Box and PC together (and even released the X-Box version first) because there's more money in the console market.

That said, it's absolutely true that consoles simply cannot offer the graphical demands and grognard-level strategic depth to many games that a suped-up PC can along with the various niches in the PC audience compared to the bulk of the console audience. KOTOR might have been offered on both X-Box and PC, but it looks better on just about any PC. Fans of Deus Ex were pissed off at Deus Ex 2 not so much because it was developed for both PC and X-Box, but because the dual development resulted in a half-rate PC game hobbled by the severe memory and game controller limitations of the X-Box.

Ultimately, I think that because PCs are simply more powerful you're going to find that a higher number of "better" games can be produced on PCs because there are fewer limitations on what a developer can dream up and then deliver. That said, great games have never been entirely determined by hardware limitations. The original M.U.L.E. developed on the 8-bit Atari systems of the 1980s is an AWESOME game, as are countless others.

There ARE some great console games out there, but again most of them can and have been ported to PC where it rarely works the other way around.

	24-09-2004 11:07									#13
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quote: Originally posted by pg star wars games generally are decent but i've gotten bored of them. they are usually not much different from the last star wars games. in fact some of them are very similar. iirc one relreased on gamecube was only an enhanced version of a n64 game.

You mean RS2? I call BS. I have that game, and it is not a copy of RS.

	24-09-2004 12:08									#14
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i played both some but i didn't beat either. i thought they were alike(using the same missions/battles? not to mention the same gameplay) but it has been a long time so maybe i am wrong. i also didn't say it was a copy i said enhanced which is quite different. the only place i found mention of it being similar via a quick google was in reader reviews on gamefaq.com where a few mentioned it.

	24-09-2004 17:43									#15
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There is a demo of the game in the new Star Wars boxed DVD sets (disc 4), not sure if it's PC as well but definealty XBox, I played it for about 30 mins last night, good but not great.

	24-09-2004 23:32									#16
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quote: Originally posted by Spaced Cowboy You are out of your mind. The RoTK is a pc game as well. A simple google search of RoTK PC will give you 100's of hits.

Really? Never knew that, and never saw a copy at a store.

	24-09-2004 23:47									#17
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well they aren't released in english anymore. rotk 11 just came out for pc a little bit ago in japan. it sucks too since the pc versions are usually the best especially when used with the power up pack(which usually makes the game more challenging with better ai). i only think the first couple were released in english and the place that cannot be named has a the early versions i think.

	28-09-2004 01:54									#18
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I've got Star Wars: Battlefront. It's decent... but nothing special. Driving the AT-AT's is fun, but gets boring after a while.

	28-09-2004 03:21									#19
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quote: Originally posted by reds4ever so did Halo suddenly become a good XBox game when the PC version was released? Wasn't KOTOR in a similar situation (although I may be wrong on that one)? Off the top of my head, 'Riddick' is a top game that isn't out on the PC, your statement was too much of a generalization IMHO, like saying sports franchise games on the PC are cr@p unless theres a console version as well,

Halo was originally going to be a PC-only game. KOTOR was made with the intention of eventually porting it.

	28-09-2004 03:23									#20
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quote: Originally posted by Arnelos That said, in recent years the console market has exploded to such an extent that even traditional PC developers are tayloring games to the console market (or dual release console and PC). I can't blame any of these companies for that trend: the console market simply has more money in it these days. KOTOR is actually a good example of this trend. It's the type of game that BioWare and Atari would have developed entirely for PC only 5-6 years ago, but developed for X-Box and PC together (and even released the X-Box version first) because there's more money in the console market.

Meh, KOTOR dripped of consoleness. It would have been a lot better if it was more like BG and less like Final Fantasy clones.